Infant doesn't have the notion of identity, because it is a lower fetter,DooDoot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:25 am compare to MN 64:For a young tender infant lying prone does not even have the notion ‘identity,’
https://suttacentral.net/mn64/en/bodhi
Path(magga) and practice is needed to see and give up lower fetter.https://suttacentral.net/mn64/en/sujato wrote:and they don’t truly understand the escape from identity view that has arisen.
uppannāya ca sakkāyadiṭṭhiyā nissaraṇaṁ yathābhūtaṁ nappajānāti.
That identity view is reinforced in them, not eliminated: it is a lower fetter.
Tassa sā sakkāyadiṭṭhi thāmagatā appaṭivinītā orambhāgiyaṁ saṁyojanaṁ.
Bodhisatta doesn't have lower fetters.https://suttacentral.net/mn64/en/sujato wrote:There is a path and a practice for giving up the five lower fetters. It’s not possible to know or see or give up the five lower fetters without relying on that path and that practice.
Yo, ānanda, maggo yā paṭipadā pañcannaṁ orambhāgiyānaṁ saṁyojanānaṁ pahānāya taṁ maggaṁ taṁ paṭipadaṁ anāgamma pañcorambhāgiyāni saṁyojanāni ñassati vā dakkhati vā pajahissati vāti—netaṁ ṭhānaṁ vijjati.
Suttas confirm his childhood jhana prowess, i think it is the multidimensionality, he knew but not really actualized it to that's it
https://suttacentral.net/mn100/en/sujato wrote: Then it occurred to me,
Tassa mayhaṁ, bhāradvāja, etadahosi:
‘I recall sitting in the cool shade of the rose-apple tree while my father the Sakyan was off working. Quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unskillful qualities, I entered and remained in the first absorption, which has the rapture and bliss born of seclusion, while placing the mind and keeping it connected.
‘abhijānāmi kho panāhaṁ pitu sakkassa kammante sītāya jambucchāyāya nisinno vivicceva kāmehi vivicca akusalehi dhammehi savitakkaṁ savicāraṁ vivekajaṁ pītisukhaṁ paṭhamaṁ jhānaṁ upasampajja viharitā.
Could that be the path to awakening?’
Siyā nu kho eso maggo bodhāyā’ti?
Stemming from that memory came the realization:
Tassa mayhaṁ, bhāradvāja, satānusāri viññāṇaṁ ahosi:
‘That is the path to awakening!’
‘eseva maggo bodhāyā’ti.