whose Buddhism is truest?

Textual analysis and comparative discussion on early Buddhist sects and scriptures.
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Re: whose Buddhism is truest?

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josaphatbarlaam wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:02 am
Mr. Seek wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:34 amAlso, funny how most non-academic folks that praise the Gāndhārī fragments ignore the Asoka pillar inscriptions altogether, more often than not the five nikayas as well. They usually side with Mahayana or Vajrayana too. How convenient.
The whole article is like "The Gandhari fragments are so earth shattering they change everything. Except they don't really say anything new at all which is why scholars are too bored to even publish a translation. But they change EvErYtHiNg!!!"
The Gandhari fragments are definitely sectarian texts. But the fragmentary could be useful to confirm certain Indic terms for the comparative study in early Buddhist texts, particularly for the studies of "Samyutta/Samyukta Buddhism".

:reading: :buddha1:
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thomaslaw wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:13 am
josaphatbarlaam wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 3:02 am
Mr. Seek wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:34 amAlso, funny how most non-academic folks that praise the Gāndhārī fragments ignore the Asoka pillar inscriptions altogether, more often than not the five nikayas as well. They usually side with Mahayana or Vajrayana too. How convenient.
The whole article is like "The Gandhari fragments are so earth shattering they change everything. Except they don't really say anything new at all which is why scholars are too bored to even publish a translation. But they change EvErYtHiNg!!!"
The Gandhari fragments are definitely sectarian texts. But the fragmentary could be useful to confirm certain Indic terms for the comparative study in early Buddhist texts, particularly for the studies of "Samyutta/Samyukta Buddhism".

:reading: :buddha1:
But it seems very limited material/information relevant to the Samyutta/Samyukta texts, and other early Buddhist texts. Cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandh%C4% ... hist_texts

The Buddha in fact did not speak Gandhari (or Pali) Prakrit, though being relevant to the Indic language.
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Re: whose Buddhism is truest?

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The author instantly jumps from "there are early Buddhist schools" to "we can't know the early Buddhist schools, so... that means all the early and later schools like Mahāyāna are all equal and true!"
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samseva wrote: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:53 am The author instantly jumps from "there are early Buddhist schools" to "we can't know the early Buddhist schools, so... that means all the early and later schools like Mahāyāna are all equal and true!"
which author?
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Re: whose Buddhism is truest?

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Safest bet would be using Suttas such as a definite guide.

1) Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta (Sutta Nipata)
(for knowing the 4NT and 8FP)

2) Saccavibhanga Sutta (Majjhima Nikaya)
(for knowing the details of 4NT and 8 FP)

3) Sammaditthi Sutta (Majjhima Nikaya)
(for gaining Right View)

4) Pathamabhava Sutta (Anguttara Nikaya)
(to clear the doubts and confusion on modes of rebirth)

5) Brahmajala Sutta (Digha Nikaya)
(for abolishing Wrong Views)

6) Okkantasamyutta ten Suttas (Samyutta Nikaya)
(for straightening one's understanding of Dhamma, and at least achieving Sotapanna Sainthood in this very life)

Any modern teachings from different denomination of so-called Buddhist groups that are in contradiction with the above Suttas can be discarded or dismissed at once.
"Vibhajjavādo kho ahamettha, māṇava; nāhamettha ekaṁsavādo." - Buddha (Subha Sutta MN99)
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