Our member named [name redacted by admin] often appears to post a common view about the above sutta, namely, the sense bases are physically produced from or physical results of old kamma. However, the Abhidhamma Vibhaṅga appears to say the "ten (physical) sense bases are not associated with the defilements" and are "not a resultant" (nevavipāka). This might be a contradiction.User1249x wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:31 am"Now what, monks, is old kamma? The eye is to be seen as old kamma, fabricated & willed, capable of being felt. The ear... The nose... The tongue... The body... The intellect is to be seen as old kamma, fabricated & willed, capable of being felt. This is called old kamma.
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Eleven sense-bases are not defilements. Ideational sense[-object]-base sometimes is defilement; sometimes is not defilement. Ten sense-bases are objects of the defilements. Two sense-bases sometimes are objects of the defilements; sometimes are not objects of the defilements. Ten sense-bases are not associated with the defilements. Two sense-bases sometimes are associated with the defilements; sometimes are not associated with the defilements. Ten sense-bases should not be said to be, defilements also objects of the defilements; (they) are objects of the defilements but are not defilements. Mind sense-base should not be said to be, defilement also the object of the defilements; (it) sometimes is the object of the defilements but is not defilement; sometimes should not be said to be, the object of the defilements but is not defilement. Ideational sense-base sometimes is defilement also the object of the defilements; sometimes is the object of the defilements but is not defilement; sometimes should not be said to be, defilement also the object of the defilements or the object of the defilements but is not defilement. Ten sense-bases should not be said to be, defilement also associated with the defilements or associated with the defilements but are not defilements. Mind sense-base should not be said to be, defilement also associated with the defilements; (it) sometimes is associated with the defilements but is not defilement; sometimes should not be said to be, associated with the defilements but is not defilement. Ideational sense-base sometimes is defilement also associated with the defilements; sometimes is associated with the defilements but is not defilement; sometimes should not be said to be, defilement also associated with the defilements or associated with the defilements but is not defilement. Ten sense-bases are not associated with the defilements, are objects of the defilements. Two sense-bases sometimes are not associated with the defilements, are objects of the defilements; sometimes are not associated with the defilements, are not objects of the defilements; sometimes should not be said to be, not associated with the defilements, are objects of the defilements or not associated with the defilements, are not objects of the defilements
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Therein what is the aggregate of form? The aggregate of form by way of singlefold division: All form is not root. Is not accompanied by root. Is not associated with root. Is with cause. Is conditioned. Is material. Is mundane. Is the object of the defilements. Is the object of the fetters. Is the object of the ties. Is the object of the floods. Is the object of the bonds. Is the object of the hindrances. Is the object of the perversions. Is the object of the graspings. Is the object of the corruptions. Is neither-skilful-nor-unskilful. Has no object. Is not mental concomitant. Is not associated with consciousness.Is neither resultant nor productive of resultant (nevavipākanavipākadhammadhammaṃ). Is not corrupt, is the object of the corruptions. Is not “accompanied by initial application, accompanied by sustained application”. Is not “without initial application, sustained application only”. Is without initial application, without sustained application. Is not accompanied by rapture. Is not accompanied by pleasure. Is not accompanied by indifference. Is not to be abandoned either by the first path or by the subsequent paths. Has no root to be abandoned either by the first path or by the subsequent paths. Is neither cumulative nor dispersive (of continuing rebirth and death). Is neither of the seven supramundane stages nor of the final supramundane stage. Is low. Is characteristic of the plane of desire. Is not characteristic of the plane of form. Is not characteristic of the formless plane. Is included (i.e. is mundane). Is not “not included” (i.e. not supramundane). Is of no fixed (resultant time). Does not tend to release. Is risen. Is cognizable by the six types of cognition. Is not permanent. Is subject to decay. Thus is the aggregate of form by way of singlefold division.
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