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Just found this useful resource https://obo.genaud.net/backmatter/index ... ta_toc.htm, which contains all PTS translations of 4 Nikayas (some of them are not on sutta central) + PTS Pali edition (different from Burmese edition used in Sutta Central). All these is put in public domain or allowed to use for non-commercial purposes by PTS.
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Interactive Dhamma guide made of passages from the Sutta Pitaka: https://www.idhamma.org/
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ancientbuddhism wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:00 pm The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism Choong Mun Keat
: A comparative study based on the Sūtrāṅga portion of the Pāḷi Saṃyutta-Nikāya and the Chinese Saṃyuktāgama
In the book The Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism pp. 7-11, the author (Choong Mun-keat) indicates that the Chinese scholar-monk Yinshun has demonstrated the historical important of Samyutta-Nikāya/Samyukta-āgama in Early Buddhism in two books: The Formation of Early Buddhist Texts 原始佛教聖典之集成 (1971), and Combined Edition of Sūtra and Śāstra of Saṃyukta-āgama 雜阿含經論會編 (1983) (Cf. also pp. 2-7: "1. Historical background").

In the following recent article, the same author provides further useful information on this topic/issue:

“Ācāriya Buddhaghosa and Master Yinshun 印順 on the Three-aṅga Structure of Early Buddhist Texts” in Research on the Saṃyukta-āgama (Dharma Drum Institute of Liberal Arts, Research Series 8; edited by Dhammadinnā), Taiwan: Dharma Drum Corporation, August 2020, pp. 883-932.

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should probably edit OP to include http://seeingthroughthenet.net, and also various materials of bhikkhu anālayo
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Greetings,

Convert PTS Reference to Sutta Number

https://benmneb.github.io/pts-converter/

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For various lookup tools that will allow you to find suttas on multiple platforms I suggest going to https://readingfaithfully.org/ and selecting Sutta Citation Helper.

The PTS lookup is obtained by pressing "Info" then "Pali Text Society Lookup". You can then copy the sutta number and go back to ReadingFaithfully to locate the on multiple platforms.

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retrofuturist wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:56 am Greetings,

Convert PTS Reference to Sutta Number

https://benmneb.github.io/pts-converter/

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Excellent, thanks. Bhante Dhammika still writes in the PTS format and it's always been hard for me to locate the modern numbering system equivalent, which I prefer. This makes it much easier.
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The sinking feeling which assails me when I see the abbreviation "PTS" has actually got worse.

The converter doesn't work for me at all. It gets the Nikaya right, but picks a different sutta from the one I'm testing. I tried this by going to ATI, finding a random sutta, and putting the PTS reference number cited in braces { } into the converter. It comes up with a different sutta. :computerproblem:

Has anyone else tried this? Am I being even more stupid than usual?
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Don't put any braces. Just put the PTS abbreviation followed by volume number then page number. For example, I got the correct reference for:

A i 298

as

AN 3.163

and it's correct.
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Sam Vara wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:35 pm Has anyone else tried this?
I went to some random suttas on A2I and see you're right. I think A2I has some wrong citations. If you look up a sutta on Sutta Central, you can see the PTS number and put it in and it works correctly with the Sutta Central citations.

Test:

With the Kālāmas of Kesamutta
Kesamuttisutta
AN 3.65
PTS 1.189–1.193

A i 189 Kalama Sutta

converts to:

AN 3.65 Kalama Sutta
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DNS wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:38 pm
Sam Vara wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 9:35 pm Has anyone else tried this?
I went to some random suttas on A2I and see you're right. I think A2I has some wrong citations. If you look up a sutta on Sutta Central, you can see the PTS number and put it in and it works correctly with the Sutta Central citations.

Test:

With the Kālāmas of Kesamutta
Kesamuttisutta
AN 3.65
PTS 1.189–1.193

A i 189 Kalama Sutta

converts to:

AN 3.65 Kalama Sutta
Yes, that one works for me too. But then I tried the one that didn't.

Sutta Central SN 36.1
PTS S iv 204

Converts to:

SN 35.248

That's only one sutta out, but is confusing as it is in a different vagga and is therefore on a different topic. I remember from somewhere that SC misses out a couple of suttas which throws the numbers out.
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Sam Vara wrote: Sun Sep 04, 2022 11:19 pm Yes, that one works for me too. But then I tried the one that didn't.

Sutta Central SN 36.1
PTS S iv 204

Converts to:

SN 35.248

That's only one sutta out, but is confusing as it is in a different vagga and is therefore on a different topic. I remember from somewhere that SC misses out a couple of suttas which throws the numbers out.
Strangely the label:
pts-vp-pli4.204
is at the bottom of 35.248, not the top of 36.1. You can see it at the bottom here:
https://suttacentral.net/sn35.248/en/su ... ript=latin

Not sure whether that's a Sutta Central issue, or a Converter issue. In other cases I checked the page numbers are at the top of a sutta (unless they are in the middle of course...). You could raise the issue on github: https://github.com/benmneb/pts-converter and/or Sutta Central, since there may be an error somewhere.

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Looks interesting so far. His premise seems to be that in some of the Mahāyāna Sutras, the fabricators of those sutras are having the Buddha claim that all you need is those texts themselves to get the totality of the Buddhist tradition.

I see an unintended warning for those of us who rely heavily on the Tipitika. One cannot get the totality of the tradition without in-person contact with the Sangha.
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