Translation help

[Ceisiwr]

Could anyone translate this for me please?

所謂名者，痛、想、念、更樂、思惟，是為名

So far I have:

The so-called names are pain, thought, mind, happiness, and contemplation.

Its from here: https://suttacentral.net/ea49.5/lzh/taisho

[Coëmgenu]

It's outlining five constituents of "name." It matches the Pali sutta version.

痛 vedanā
想 saññā
念 cetanā
更樂 phasso
思惟 manasikāro

念 is being atypically translated, and is normally "sati" in lists like these in SA etc.

更樂 as phasso is the key. 更樂 as "sensory" is attested to in 更樂食, or "sensory food/food of the senses." "Phassa" is one of the senses of 更 in the Fo Guan Shan dictionary. From there, manasikāra as 思惟 is a process of elimination. The dictionary I most often use gives "cintana." This is a minority translation, so we can imagine it is likely translating manasikāra.

[DooDoot]

念 cetanā

念 is being atypically translated, and is normally "sati" in lists like these in SA etc.

Later Buddhists generally do not understand what sati is. Regardless, sati is also included in 'nama':

directed thought, evaluation, rapture, pleasure, singleness of mind, contact, feeling, perception, intention, consciousness, desire, decision, persistence, mindfulness, equanimity & attention — he ferreted them out one after another.

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

[Ceisiwr]

It's outlining five constituents of "name." It matches the Pali sutta version.

痛 vedanā
想 saññā
念 cetanā
更樂 phasso
思惟 manasikāro

念 is being atypically translated, and is normally "sati" in lists like these in SA etc.

更樂 as phasso is the key. 更樂 as "sensory" is attested to in 更樂食, or "sensory food/food of the senses." "Phassa" is one of the senses of 更 in the Fo Guan Shan dictionary. From there, manasikāra as 思惟 is a process of elimination. The dictionary I most often use gives "cintana." This is a minority translation, so we can imagine it is likely translating manasikāra.

Thank you.

[asahi]

痛 vedanā
想 saññā
念 cetanā
更樂 phasso
思惟 manasikāro

思惟 in EA 49.5 is attention .