Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:42 pm
pegembara wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 1:50 pm
Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:43 am
While we're discussing sense-consciousness, I'd like to understand why it's presented as being six-fold in the suttas, and whether this is done for a specific reason.
You could just make the general statement that sense-consciousness arises in dependence on sense-bases and sense-objects.
Why is consciousness split up between the sense-bases in the suttas?
That's the ingenuity of the Buddha.
The reason is to deconstruct the sense experience into its parts or the self into the five aggregates.
Eg. we assume we know what a "computer" is but, in reality, the computer is merely a convention. There is no computer without the CPU, storage device, circuitry, etc.
We assume that "I" see, hear, smell, taste, touch, think, feel, etc. That self is a fabrication. Without the experience, where is the self?
The "body" is also a construct. Hence the teaching like this analysis of the body-
So are you basically saying that everything is
broken down into constituent parts, in oder to undermine self-view?
By convention, there are "things" like...
Without protons, neutrons, electrons etc., there is no atom.
Then there is the chariot analogy by Sister Vajira.
Atta=self nature or "thingness"
Anatta=without self or "no-thingness" NOT "nothingness"
"Again, monks, a monk reflects on this same body as it stands and as it is
disposed as consisting of elements thus: 'In this body there are the earth element,
the water element, the fire element, and the air element'.
Just as a skilled butcher or his apprentice, having killed a cow were seated at
the crossroads with it cut up into small pieces, so, too, a monk reflects on this
same body as it stands and as it is disposed as consisting of elements thus: 'In
this body there are the earth element, the water element, the fire element, and the
air element'."
Why now do you assume 'a being'?
Mara, have you grasped a view?
This is a heap of sheer constructions:
Here no being is found.
Just as, with an assemblage of parts,
The word 'chariot' is used,
So, when the aggregates are present,
There's the convention 'a being.'
The Buddha had an analytical mind. He deconstructed the "self" and brought an end to "birth and death".
"'From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth.' Thus it has been said. And this is the way to understand how from becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. If there were no becoming at all, in any way, of anything anywhere — i.e., sensual becoming, form becoming, or formless becoming — in the utter absence of becoming, from the cessation of becoming, would birth be discerned?"
"No, lord."
"Thus this is a cause, this is a reason, this is an origination, this is a requisite condition for birth, i.e., becoming.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.