Thank you waryoffolly for pointing this out. Unlike you who finds these to be bizarre, I find the above to be like a breath of fresh air. It just confirms my trend of thinking regards Buddhist Jhanas.There are several places where this is argued for. For example:
The opinion that the first dhyana is associated with vitarka and vicara is not good; for, according to the Sutra in the first dhyana, the ascetic ceased the speech. Vitarka and Vicara are causes of the speech. How is there the cause of speech, but the speech is ceased.
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The first dhyana is not the noble speechless state because it is in close vicinity with vitarka and vicara and not because it is associated with them
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The statement that the "vitarka and vicara are stilled" does not imply that the first dhyana has them.
I'm finding these quotes very bizarre.
However I understand, why you find it to be bizarre, also. I am not surprised.
This is not the first time you helped me on this forum.
Thank you too OP, appreciate your effort at locating these documents.
With love