cappuccino wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:00 pm
Spiny Norman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 15, 2021 5:56 pm
DO describes the cessation of vinnana
Kevatta Sutta
Consciousness without feature,
without end,
luminous all around
Consciousness without feature can be known through something, but it isn't through the all(sense organ and its object),
https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/MN/MN49.html wrote:“‘If, good sir, you have directly known the extent of what has not been experienced through the allness of the all, may it not turn out to be actually vain and void for you.’
“‘Consciousness without surface,
endless, radiant all around,
Continued existence is the extent what is experienced through the sense organ consciousness(the all),
If no support(ārammaṇa) then the consciousness won't get established(there won't be sense organ consciousness), that is The extent what is not experienced through the all(sense organs and their objects).
that above is preclude for knowing(vijānāti) feelings, you still need deal with the jhāna.
vijānāti,
https://dictionary.sutta.org/browse/v/vij%C4%81n%C4%81ti/ wrote:PTS Pali-English dictionary The Pali Text Society's Pali-English dictionary
Vijānāti,[vi+jñā] to have discriminative (dis=vi°) knowledge,to recognize,apprehend,ascertain,to become aware of,to understand,notice,perceive,distinguish,learn,know
I assume in mn1 sutta, the jhāna is in an unmentioned form under the nibbāna section.
In sum consciousness without feature, luminous all around is what knows the feelings in jhāna.