Find the Buddha within yourself.

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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SarathW
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Find the Buddha within yourself.

I was looking for a perfect teacher for quite a some time.
When I start listening or reading from a new teacher I get so excited thinking finally I got my teacher.
However when I closely examine the teacher I find subtle imperfections.
Possibly this is expected considering the fact we do not have Arahants in this day and age.
Even the Arahants may have some imperfection in their Vinaya.
I think we should not look for a perfect teacher outside of Buddha and Dhamma.

Any thoughts?
Another question is how do you handle your teacher if you are a monk.
For example if I ordained under Ven. Thanissaro I will have a big disagreement with him about the Vinnana Anidassana.
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SarathW wrote:However when I closely examine the teacher I find subtle imperfections.
In the teacher ? or in his/her teachings?
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ganegaar wrote:
SarathW wrote:However when I closely examine the teacher I find subtle imperfections.
In the teacher ? or in his/her teachings?
In some cases, in the teaching and in some cases, in the teacher.
For example I am uncomfortable with teachers who teach Nibbana as another consciousness. (They may be correct thought)
I also uncomfortable with teachers who say consuming alcohol ok or following Vinaya is not important. (Their argument is that Vinaya is imposed latter part of Buddha's life)
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I think it's important to realize all these subtle imperfections we see are projections of the mind.

All our teachers are human beings with conditioned minds and bodies. Perfectionism is a disease that compels us to judge instead of to love.

This is not to say every teacher is great or teaches perfect dhamma. I find just practicing meditation is worth more than thinking about what's wrong with potential teachers. Just take the best from everyone and relax and be grateful.
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Just take the best from everyone and relax and be grateful.
Agree and this is the message I wish to convey with this post.
Even our words are imperfect let alone the teachers.
Sometimes we miss-understand the teachers.
So the benefit of the doubt always should go to the teacher.
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The best teacher one can find these days is someone who is always sincere. Only from this person you can really learn something.
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sincere
'free from pretence or deceit; proceeding from genuine feelings.'

Agree.
But the problem is what they sincerely believe may not be the real truth.
For example I am sure Ven. Thanissaro sincerely believe that Nibbana is another type of consciousness.
But many of us can't accept it as it not tally with sutta teaching.
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Yes sincerity is beautiful.

Here are some qualities I look for teachers and in people in general: lightheartedness, humility, brightness, softness, gentleness.

Everyone needs different teachers at different times. Some of us are too lazy and soft and we need more of a disciplinarian or warrior teacher. Some of us are too hard and rigid and we need someone to tell us to relax and do nothing.

I know in my life, I have had a propensity to be intellectual and judgmental and perfectionist. I do well with teachers like ajahn brahm who is funny and talks more in stories than in theories.

Just my two cents.
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I would look for someone who is very confident, brave, talks about any topic, approachable, doesn't shy away from criticism, doesn't contradict himself or the Tipitaka, can explain everything in a coherent manner and acknowledges his own flaws and shortcomings.
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SarathW wrote:But the problem is what they sincerely believe may not be the real truth.
For example I am sure Ven. Thanissaro sincerely believe that Nibbana is another type of consciousness.
But many of us can't accept it as it not tally with sutta teaching.
I suggest bringing this up with Ven. Thanissaro. Even if all doesn't go as expected or favorably, at least some things will become clearer.
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