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Do you have any journal or link we can look at? Also, “human” isn’t necessarily biological in the Dhamma. For example, the Buddha was no longer “human”.thepea wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:07 pm I have been reading about these new vaccinations and how they will contain animal rna, and may bond with your genetic sequence effectively genetically modifying you in some animal human hybrid technically.
I believe one question for ordination is are you human?
Can this effect ones ability to ordain?
Laymen can’t become Arahants.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:55 pm Greetings,
By that logic though, would an arahant be denied entry into the Buddhist Order?
Metta,
Paul.
Don’t they arise when there is no sangha?retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:09 pm Greetings,
If they can become paccekabuddhas, I don't see why not.
Metta,
Paul.
They can, If they do then they will become monks or pass away.What ever the case after become arahants they will not stay mudane life. I saw a sutta that explaining this.cannot remember where.Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:06 pmLaymen can’t become Arahants.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:55 pm Greetings,
By that logic though, would an arahant be denied entry into the Buddhist Order?
Metta,
Paul.
I think this is a commentarial thing which spread so much that everyone thinks it's canonical.Suranga wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:36 pmThey can, If they do then they will become monks or pass away.What ever the case after become arahants they will not stay mudane life. I saw a sutta that explaining this.cannot remember where.Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:06 pmLaymen can’t become Arahants.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:55 pm Greetings,
By that logic though, would an arahant be denied entry into the Buddhist Order?
Metta,
Paul.
You are comparing a Buddha to an Arahant. Different skill sets.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:19 pm Greetings,
They do... so if someone can do it when the teachings aren't known, it seems backwards to suggest they can't do it when they are.
Metta,
Paul.
I’m not aware of any sutta case where a layman becomes an Arahant and then joined the sangha? I think there might be a sutta where a layman did fully awaken and then died. On the whole, without nearly instantly dying, laymen can’t become Arahants. The heretical idea of laymen becoming Arahants was rejected by the Theravādins at the 3rd council. Therefore, it must be rejected.Suranga wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:36 pmThey can, If they do then they will become monks or pass away.What ever the case after become arahants they will not stay mudane life. I saw a sutta that explaining this.cannot remember where.Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:06 pmLaymen can’t become Arahants.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:55 pm Greetings,
By that logic though, would an arahant be denied entry into the Buddhist Order?
Metta,
Paul.
Now you're clutching at straws.Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:48 pmYou are comparing a Buddha to an Arahant. Different skill sets.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:19 pm Greetings,
They do... so if someone can do it when the teachings aren't known, it seems backwards to suggest they can't do it when they are.
Not really. You asked how an awakened being can become a monk given the rule. I’m stating that no such situation has ever arisen, as far as we know. Arahants and Buddhas are no longer human. The rule does not apply to Buddha’s because they rediscover the ancient path to the ancient city and for Arahants it simply never applies because they never join the sangha.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:54 pm Greetings Craig,
Now you're clutching at straws.Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:48 pmYou are comparing a Buddha to an Arahant. Different skill sets.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:19 pm Greetings,
They do... so if someone can do it when the teachings aren't known, it seems backwards to suggest they can't do it when they are.
Metta,
Paul.