I want to ordain, but I have a problem that I just can't solve.

Discussion of ordination, the Vinaya and monastic life. How and where to ordain? Bhikkhuni ordination etc.
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JC938 wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:52 pm Now, the problem is if I go and become a monk and everything goes smoothly, then good. Meaning, if I could stay and i'm happy at the monastery.

But if I go for a while and don't feel happy or feel uncomfortable or want to change temples or want to be alone or want to study elsewhere or want to travel to India or whatever problem I will not have any money. Even the money to go home I will not have.
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JC938 wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:33 am
tamdrin wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:51 am What are you doing this Friday for Magha Bucha day?
I will probably be home like everyday and keep sila 8 like everyday.
That's cool that you keep the 8 precepts everyday. Not that easy to do in my opinion.
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JamesTheGiant wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 8:43 amIf you are interested, maybe you can go visit a wat on that day.
I love to wake up on those special days and go to the sala in the dark before dawn, and do chanting and meditation with all the other people. So nice.
Then the sun rises, and you can help with sweeping or something, and it's a really good start to the day.
Just a suggestion
Sounds beautiful!

I would love to do something like that.


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tamdrin wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:46 pm
JC938 wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:33 am
tamdrin wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:51 am What are you doing this Friday for Magha Bucha day?
I will probably be home like everyday and keep sila 8 like everyday.
That's cool that you keep the 8 precepts everyday. Not that easy to do in my opinion.
I no longer am holding sila 8 everyday, I'm holding sila 5 now.
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How much time do you spend doing concentration meditation? It should be at least an hour every day if you are serious about jhana.
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Inedible wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:29 am How much time do you spend doing concentration meditation? It should be at least an hour every day if you are serious about jhana.
I haven't get around to do anapanasati properly till now, I would sit for few minutes, then I would either get up or lie down. I'm going to try again.
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I wish I were Thai. Easier to ordain, less time as a layman/anagarika/samanera. Not to mention not having to worry about visas.


Good luck!! Monastic life isn't that difficult as some make it appear. Give it a try. ;)
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rhinoceroshorn wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:57 am I wish I were Thai. Easier to ordain, less time as a layman/anagarika/samanera. Not to mention not having to worry about visas.


Good luck!! Monastic life isn't that difficult as some make it appear. Give it a try. ;)
am I allowed to ordain if I emit semen unintentionally? I dont want to get bad name .. these days semen coming when I see something lustful even if I dont touch it using hand ..
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:45 am
rhinoceroshorn wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:57 am I wish I were Thai. Easier to ordain, less time as a layman/anagarika/samanera. Not to mention not having to worry about visas.


Good luck!! Monastic life isn't that difficult as some make it appear. Give it a try. ;)
am I allowed to ordain if I emit semen unintentionally? I dont want to get bad name .. these days semen coming when I see something lustful even if I dont touch it using hand ..
Read in bold.
The Vibhaṅga defines intentionally as “having willed, having made the decision knowingly and consciously.” The Commentary explains these terms as follows: Having willed means having willed, having planned, with the intention of enjoying bringing about an emission. Having made the decision means having summoned up a reckless mind state, “crushing” through the power of an attack. (These are the same terms it uses to explain the same phrase under Pr 3, Pc 61, and Pc 77. The meaning is that one is not simply toying with the idea. One has definitely made up one’s mind to overcome all hesitation by aggressively setting upon an action aimed at causing emission.) Knowingly means knowing that, “I am making an exertion”—which the Sub-commentary explains as knowing that, “I am making an exertion for the sake of an emission.” Consciously means being aware that one’s efforts are bringing about an emission of semen.

The Commentary’s definition of “having willed” is where it deviates from the Vibhaṅga’s discussion of the factor of intention. The Vibhaṅga, throughout its analysis, expresses this factor simply as “aiming at causing an emission,” and it lists ten possible motives for wanting to bring the emission about:

for the sake of health,

for the sake of pleasure,

for the sake of a medicine,

for the sake of a gift (to insects, says the Commentary, although producing semen as a gift to one‘s partner in a tantric ritual would also come under this category),

for the sake of merit,

for the sake of a sacrifice,

for the sake of heaven,

for the sake of seed (to produce a child—a bhikkhu who gave semen to be used in artificial insemination would fit in this category),

for the sake of investigating (e.g., to diagnose one’s health), or

for the sake of playfulness or fun.

Each of these motives, the Vibhaṅga says, fulfills the factor of intention here. Thus for the Commentary to limit the question of “deliberate intention” strictly to the enjoyment of the act of bringing about an emission (numbers 2 and 10 in the Vibhaṅga’s list) has no basis in the Canon. This means that the factor of intention under this rule is defined by deliberateness and immediate aim—causing an emission of semen—regardless of impulse or motive.

Given the way intention is defined, there is no offense for a bhikkhu who brings on an emission of semen—

accidentally—e.g., toying with his penis simply for the pleasure of the contact, when it suddenly and unexpectedly goes off;

not knowing that he is making an effort—e.g., when he is dreaming or in a semi-conscious state before fully waking up from sleep;

not conscious that his efforts are bringing about an emission of semen—e.g., when he is so engrossed in applying medicine to a sore on his penis that he doesn’t realize that he is bringing on an ejaculation;

or when his efforts are motivated by a purpose other than that of causing an emission—e.g., when he wakes up, finds that he is about to have a spontaneous ejaculation, and grabs hold of his penis to keep the semen from soiling his robes or bedding
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See, Ānanda! All those conditioned phenomena have passed, ceased, and perished. So impermanent are conditions, so unstable are conditions, so unreliable are conditions. This is quite enough for you to become disillusioned, dispassionate, and freed regarding all conditions.
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If you stay away from your cellphone (temptation to look at pornography) and refrain from looking at lay women you'll be fine, friend. Trust yourself.
I'm in a worse position than yours, friend. Impingement everywhere but I do what I can. :lol:
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Sutta Nipāta 1.3 - Khaggavisana Sutta
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See, Ānanda! All those conditioned phenomena have passed, ceased, and perished. So impermanent are conditions, so unstable are conditions, so unreliable are conditions. This is quite enough for you to become disillusioned, dispassionate, and freed regarding all conditions.
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 11:45 amam I allowed to ordain if I emit semen unintentionally? I dont want to get bad name .. these days semen coming when I see something lustful even if I dont touch it using hand ..
Lust is the main thing holding me back from being a monk. I have been celibate for years, but I still have lustful thoughts and become aroused, and then I succumb to touching.

I wish that we may all be free from these attachments. We need to stop clinging to our bodies and lustful thoughts. They are empty of inherent existence. These are delusions.


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coconut wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:10 pm I don't think becoming a monk out of desperation is a good thing. I think one should believe in the dhamma before even attempting to become a monk, as in they have at least 100% faith that it is true.
I think becoming monk out of desperation is an excellent thing..
People who are not desperate,will never become monks
They settle in their comfortable Samsaric routine till they die.
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ricosadao wrote: Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:02 pmI think becoming monk out of desperation is an excellent thing..
People who are not desperate,will never become monks
They settle in their comfortable Samsaric routine till they die.
Hi there!

I think there is truth in what you said.

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