Going to Myanmar

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I was planing to go to Myanmar since last few years to practice meditation and if posible ordaining. Due to the current situation in Myanmar what you think of future (about religious tourism). I know a one monestary in Myanmar which I was interested in. Seems like chances are going to be slim for going to Myanmar in future.
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Whe the military coup is finished, and the massacres have stopped, and the global virus pandemic has cleared up, then all will be open again.
But you picked the wrong time to ordain in Myanmar sorry . :rolleye:
Any places closer to home? I got a lot of practise done volunteering long term at meditation centers and local monasteries. Might be worth considering.

Later edit: Wait, don't you live in Sri Lanka? So many good places to practise! You are so lucky! Why go to Myanmar?
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JamesTheGiant wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:46 am ...
Later edit: Wait, don't you live in Sri Lanka? So many good places to practise! You are so lucky! Why go to Myanmar?
Thanks for the answer. Going to myanmar is just my personal preference..
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More than 90 killed in Myanmar in one of bloodiest days of protests

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/27/asia ... index.html


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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 2:48 pm More than 90 killed in Myanmar in one of bloodiest days of protests

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/27/asia ... index.html


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its nearly impossible for buddhist to practice when human rights are violated... no religion for human rights violation country..
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i would like to know why a buddhist country has experienced so much turmoil
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Lots of foreigners have been going to Myanmar for meditation over decades on military dictatorship so there's no reason to assume that won't happen in future.

The unrest could go on for a long time though, prior to the recent experiment with democracy people couldn't organise, but the difference is now Myanmar has mobile phones and the internet.

The pandemic gives cause for second thoughts though, I don't think I'd want to be living in a third world country for the next one.
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Goofaholix wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:26 pm Lots of foreigners have been going to Myanmar for meditation over decades on military dictatorship so there's no reason to assume that won't happen in future.

The unrest could go on for a long time though, prior to the recent experiment with democracy people couldn't organise, but the difference is now Myanmar has mobile phones and the internet.

The pandemic gives cause for second thoughts though, I don't think I'd want to be living in a third world country for the next one.
if there will be a another pandemic , then living in a developed country wouldn't bring any luck. For example think about how many died due to covid in US. nothing could stop it. its just come down to own karma. just my own thought..
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Buddhist Monks in Sri Lanka Pray for the Victims of Military Coup in Myanmar as Death Toll Rises

https://www.buddhistdoor.net/news/buddh ... toll-rises


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''i would like to know why a Buddhist country has experienced so much turmoil''

I have lived in Buddhist countries for about 30 years, and I can assure you, they are just as ultra-materialistic, corrupt or violent as any other and have their own set of prejudices just like any other -- see violence with Tamils and Muslims in Sri Lanka, historically, look at Pol Pot ( who had regularly attended temples as a youth) and Zen is inextricably bound up with violence in Japan. In South Korea in the 80s and 90s, monks regularly got into violent fights at demos and strike marches. It still happens.

There's beautiful Buddhist theory -- and then there's the reality of how humans behave...

There's lot of academic studies --

https://www.amazon.com/Buddhist-Warfare ... 4844&psc=1


https://www.amazon.com/Myanmars-Enemy-W ... 5778&psc=1


https://www.amazon.com/Buddhism-Violenc ... 3895005452

Zen as a Cult of Death in the Wartime Writings of D.T. Suzuki

https://apjjf.org/2013/11/30/Brian-Vict ... ticle.html

Zen and Wartime Japan

https://apjjf.org/Brian-Victoria/4316.html

Buddhist Sangha, Fascist Collaboration and War in South Korea ; “Buddhist state” waging a “dharmic war” against “Christian enemies”... Mahayana ideas of all‐inclusive totality... wartime “totalitarian statehood”, battlefield experience explained in the terms of Buddhist “self‐cultivation” and Bodhisattva‐like self‐sacrifice.

https://www.kci.go.kr/kciportal/ci/sere ... T001407782

Karma, War and Inequality in Twentieth Century Japan

https://apjjf.org/Brian-Victoria/4316.html


A Zen Nazi in Wartime Japan:

https://apjjf.org/2014/12/3/Brian-Victo ... ticle.html

Racist hatred is frequently encouraged in the Sangha in Myanmar -- and -- to a lesser degree, but it is still serious -- in the Sri Lankan Sangha--


https://www.google.com/search?q=burmese ... 11&bih=438


Monks know very well about it, but they just avoid talking about it on the international stage.
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I have the highest regard for those Sri Lankan and Burmese Sangha who helped me on my Buddhist journey -- I am indebted to them -- at the start of my Dhamma journey, they taught me all I knew and grounded me in right practice and were hospitable and generous to me to an incredible degree I will never forget and it still makes me feel humble -- all respect due to those incredible people. Without them, I may never have been guided to Dhamma -- I never forget that.

But, they are frail and human like any other groups -- and there is a tendency amongst some elements there which is undeniable -- some Sri Lankans and Myanmar people are -- generally speaking -- not well disposed towards foreigners or immigrants who want to stay long-term in their countries ( eg not tourist temporary stay visitors), and non-Buddhists --













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The problem is not on religions, but on people.

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Yes, I agree entirely -- that is just how people, human beings, behave everywhere, especially in times of modernity, where humans are crammed into small spaces and made to compete for minimal resources ( food, jobs, housing, medical care) and then if those people have different eating and other lifestyle habits ( eg halal, kosher, non-halal, alcohol or no alcohol, meat or no meat, deity worship or taboos around such) things are going to get intense-- and then if you factor in human ignorance and prejudice and random bad behaviour ( something all ethnicities and groups are guilty of ), it's an explosive mixture.

Of course you are right.

Dhamma height of wisdom is one thing.

Hindu Sutras calm and peace and love is one thing.

The beautiful example of Jesus the champion of the poor and struggling is one thing.

Beautiful Islamic mysticism is one thing.

REALITY of human behaviour is quite another thing.
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GnosticMind wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:29 pm Yes, I agree entirely -- that is just how people, human beings, behave everywhere, especially in times of modernity, where humans are crammed into small spaces and made to compete for minimal resources ( food, jobs, housing, medical care) and then if those people have different eating and other lifestyle habits ( eg halal, kosher, non-halal, alcohol or no alcohol, meat or no meat, deity worship or taboos around such) things are going to get intense-- and then if you factor in human ignorance and prejudice and random bad behaviour ( something all ethnicities and groups are guilty of ), it's an explosive mixture.

Of course you are right.

Dhamma height of wisdom is one thing.

Hindu Sutras calm and peace and love is one thing.

The beautiful example of Jesus the champion of the poor and struggling is one thing.

Beautiful Islamic mysticism is one thing.

REALITY of human behaviour is quite another thing.
yet most people strive to study and practice the Teachings of Religions.

and with the help of religion, most manage to improve.

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