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Garlic and Onion in diet?

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Garlic and Onion is not allowed for monks or allowed?

if not allowed, it is because.. 1) it cause bad smell in mouth while dhamma talk?
2) increase sex related hormones?
3) it has decrease life span effect?

For lay person. what is the role of garlic and onion? should it be avoided or not? Brahmins dont eat garlic and onion for the above reasons.. what is buddha view on this?
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Might cause bad smelling farts which is a disturbance in collective retreats/practices.
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SteRo wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:04 am Might cause bad smelling farts which is a disturbance in collective retreats/practices.
thanks stereo... in brahmin culture they say it prevents higher states
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sounds like Hinduism

how will a monk get fed in Thailand without garlic, onion & chilli in the food

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confusedlayman wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:28 am
SteRo wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:04 am Might cause bad smelling farts which is a disturbance in collective retreats/practices.
thanks stereo... in brahmin culture they say it prevents higher states
That is no contradiction. Bad smelling farts may obstruct attainment of jhanas if hindrances are caused.
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It's allowed. The only prohibition really is just eating the garlic by itself. The prohibition against the "five pungent spices" is a Mahayana prohibition.
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seeker242 wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:47 am It's allowed. The only prohibition really is just eating the garlic by itself. The prohibition against the "five pungent spices" is a Mahayana prohibition.
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when mind has samadhi & samatha, it will know garlic & onion does not cause sexual desire and is not a hindrance

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DooDoot wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:31 am sounds like Hinduism

how will a monk get fed in Thailand without garlic, onion & chilli in the food

looks like another topic for 'Connections to Other Paths" for the Mahayana trolls :roll:
https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-kd15 wrote:Now at that time the Lord, surrounded by a large assembly, was teaching dhamma sitting down. A certain monk had eaten garlic; he sat down to one side, thinking: “In case the monks are incommoded.” The Lord saw that monk who was sitting down at one side; seeing him, he addressed the monks, saying: “Monks, why is this monk sitting to one side?”

“Lord, this monk has eaten garlic, so he sat down at one side, thinking: ‘In case the monks are incommoded’.”

“But, monks, should that be eaten which, when eaten, can (make the eater) outside such a dhamma-talk as this?”

“That is not so, Lord.”

“Monks, garlic should not be eaten. Whoever should eat it, there is an offence of wrong-doing.”
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

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seeker242 wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:47 am It's allowed. The only prohibition really is just eating the garlic by itself. The prohibition against the "five pungent spices" is a Mahayana prohibition.
And Jain and Hindu.

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salayatananirodha wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:10 am
https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-kd15 wrote:
“Monks, garlic should not be eaten. Whoever should eat it, there is an offence of wrong-doing.”
The above does not refer to garlic causing sexual lust.
Garlic
There is a prohibition against eating garlic unless one is ill. According
to the Commentary, ill here means any illness for which garlic is a cure.
Traditionally, garlic is used as an antibiotic and to ward off colds and flu.
According to current medical knowledge, it also helps prevent high blood
cholesterol. Although Asian food often contains garlic as an ingredient,
none of the texts mention the use of garlic mixed in with food. Perhaps it
is allowable on the grounds of being a digestive aid. An alternative
interpretation, accepted by many Communities, is that the original
prohibition is against eating garlic by itself
. Following this interpretation,
garlic mixed with other ingredients would be allowable even when one is
not ill
.

“Garlic should not be eaten. Whoever should eat it: an offense of wrong doing.”—Cv.V.34.1

“I allow that garlic be eaten in the event of illness.”—Cv.V.34.2

https://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Wri ... 200611.pdf
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DooDoot wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:28 am
salayatananirodha wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:10 am
https://suttacentral.net/pli-tv-kd15 wrote:
“Monks, garlic should not be eaten. Whoever should eat it, there is an offence of wrong-doing.”
The above does not refer to garlic causing sexual lust.
Garlic
There is a prohibition against eating garlic unless one is ill. According
to the Commentary, ill here means any illness for which garlic is a cure.
Traditionally, garlic is used as an antibiotic and to ward off colds and flu.
According to current medical knowledge, it also helps prevent high blood
cholesterol. Although Asian food often contains garlic as an ingredient,
none of the texts mention the use of garlic mixed in with food. Perhaps it
is allowable on the grounds of being a digestive aid. An alternative
interpretation, accepted by many Communities, is that the original
prohibition is against eating garlic by itself
. Following this interpretation,
garlic mixed with other ingredients would be allowable even when one is
not ill
.

“Garlic should not be eaten. Whoever should eat it: an offense of wrong doing.”—Cv.V.34.1

“I allow that garlic be eaten in the event of illness.”—Cv.V.34.2

https://www.dhammatalks.org/Archive/Wri ... 200611.pdf
oh, ok. i didn't see that's what was being said. i don't know enough about pranic foods to say, but it might not be completely unrelated to dhammavinaya. someone with more knowledge should say.
16. 'In what has the world originated?' — so said the Yakkha Hemavata, — 'with what is the world intimate? by what is the world afflicted, after having grasped at what?' (167)

17. 'In six the world has originated, O Hemavata,' — so said Bhagavat, — 'with six it is intimate, by six the world is afflicted, after having grasped at six.' (168)

- Hemavatasutta


links:
https://www.ancient-buddhist-texts.net/index.htm
http://thaiforestwisdom.org/canonical-texts/
http://seeingthroughthenet.net/wp-conte ... _Heart.pdf
https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
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