i may not have captured all of the opinions possible so i added 'other'
[update:] two people appear to have voted for "these drugs treat symptoms without fixing the causes" but this option originally said "there is nothing immoral or unethical about taking psychotropic medications". i edited this one because i thought it was kind of obvious
what are your thoughts on taking psychotropic medications for mood disorders?
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what are your thoughts on taking psychotropic medications for mood disorders?
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Re: what are your thoughts on taking psychotropic medications for mood disorders?
I’ve witnessed how the active ingredient in psychedelic mushrooms in micro-doses is a very effective treatment for anxiety.
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Re: what are your thoughts on taking psychotropic medications for mood disorders?
If you are at the point where a psychiatrist is ready to prescribe medication, you should take it. Not necessarily a GP or "family practice" doctor, but a specialist. A GP might just give you a script and hope you go away. At this point, it is probably too late for supplements, herbs, sunshine, diet, and exercise. The medication should be in combination with therapy and a full treatment plan rather than just expecting to be on the pills for the rest of your life.
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Can we use drugs (ice etc) instead of psychotropic medication?
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Just a general thought: Are these surveys effective when you can choose every one of the 10 options?
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literally idk what the difference is between street amphetamine and adderall (prescription). thats just one example
do you think people would mostly vote dishonestly? several of these options conflict with one another
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yeah, and i mean you get people who take drugs because something is missing in their life but its considered 'just getting high'
but there's more to it than that
and the war on drugs has restricted legitimate drug therapies (marijuana for example)
but why cant dhamma solve all one's problems
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Where is the option that ‘Dhamma can solve all of your problems’?
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Re: what are your thoughts on taking psychotropic medications for mood disorders?
Psychological diseases are diseases like physical/bodily ones. They need to be treated in the same way : with therapy, medications etc.
Another reason why they are diseases/illnesses is that you cannot heal them yourself. For instance, in your case, you likely cannot get out of depression on you own, without antidepressants etc. I strongly suggest you take them .
And some depressions are extremly treatment and drug resistent , only some combination of therapy, exercise, special drugs (or even psychedelics) can help.
This is basic medical thinking. Diseases should be treated accordingly.
Another reason why they are diseases/illnesses is that you cannot heal them yourself. For instance, in your case, you likely cannot get out of depression on you own, without antidepressants etc. I strongly suggest you take them .
And some depressions are extremly treatment and drug resistent , only some combination of therapy, exercise, special drugs (or even psychedelics) can help.
This is basic medical thinking. Diseases should be treated accordingly.
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thats a good one, i forgot to include it, but 'other'
and some of the other options i think pertain to dhamma
you distinguish between psychological disease (dis-ease) and physical or bodily disease but you insist that treating the body is necessary for a non-bodily or non-physical disease?sphairos wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:37 am Psychological diseases are diseases like physical/bodily ones. They need to be treated in the same way : with therapy, medications etc.
Another reason why they are diseases/illnesses is that you cannot heal them yourself. For instance, in your case, you likely cannot get out of depression on you own, without antidepressants etc. I strongly suggest you take them .
And some depressions are extremly treatment and drug resistent , only some combination of therapy, exercise, special drugs (or even psychedelics) can help.
This is basic medical thinking. Diseases should be treated accordingly.
dont let me misrepresent you tho, if thats not what you meant you can explain.
i dont dispute that a brain can show up on a brain scan and show signs of having depression or whatever other mental illness, but i dispute that this brain is the origin of those conditions
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Re: what are your thoughts on taking psychotropic medications for mood disorders?
The problem lies in the intentionality of taking drugs which is based on the illusion of real mental states. Principally all illusory mentality is based on the flux of chemical materiality, so there is no difference between the effect of chemical drugs and the effect of natural chemicals in the brain. But since the illusion of mentality necessarily entails the illusion of 'I am' judgement and intentionality associate and cement illusion.
Having said that generally "thinking about [whatever]" only cements the illusion of 'I am' and mentality. That however does not mean "stop thinking" because "stop thinking" is connected with intentionality and thus also cements the illusion of 'I am' and mentality.
Having said that generally "thinking about [whatever]" only cements the illusion of 'I am' and mentality. That however does not mean "stop thinking" because "stop thinking" is connected with intentionality and thus also cements the illusion of 'I am' and mentality.
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Psychological diseases are treated by psychological measures : psychotherapy, psychiatry, psychoactive drugs.
It is not a philosophical question, it's medical.
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And sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they do even more harm to the patients. They hardly go to the root cause, but focuses in on symptoms and altering the chemical flow in the body.
And when I say that they sometimes get it right, I like to add my own question; right for who? The psychotherapist, the pharmacist, the patient, the politician, the law, the society, the stigma, the taboos, and so on ...
Ant disease should be treated with care and compassion, not the powers that be.
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And when the root cause is biological, altering the biology is entirely appropriate.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:02 pm They hardly go to the root cause, but focuses in on symptoms and altering the chemical flow in the body.
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If there is one who has total knowledge of the flow, then yes, but since there is no one that has it, no one should try controlling it.seeker242 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 10:44 amAnd when the root cause is biological, altering the biology is entirely appropriate.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:02 pm They hardly go to the root cause, but focuses in on symptoms and altering the chemical flow in the body.
The root cause is not just biological, it is psycho/bio/cultural. That's a holistic take on this mess.
Buddhas teaching is the best way to control it, and that means to do something with the controller.
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