Re: what are your thoughts on taking psychotropic medications for mood disorders?
Posted: Sun May 02, 2021 4:25 pm
What is psychotropic? Anti psychotics? Or weed
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i think ADHD is a good example. kids are diagnosed with ADHD and put on stimulants. but thats because compulsory, day-to-day, hours-long education in arts & sciences is considered what is appropriate for everyone. never mind that kids are sort of naturally hyperactive. some kids dont care to learn what is being taught in school and wont use it in their lives that much. some would excel if they could be taught suitable to their disposition. having an attention deficit doesnt mean you have a disorder, or that somethings wrong with you. and yeah i think anxiety and depression are similar and they do not occur randomly. to me i think it is the same as painful feeling, except that it is either the body sense base or the mind sense base this is occurring in. and pain is only either cured by addressing the cause of it or it is suppressed. somehow society came to decide depression is an illness itself and that attenuating it is curing the disease? this is sort of my perspective (lost my train of thought while i was writing too)Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:02 pmAnd sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they do even more harm to the patients. They hardly go to the root cause, but focuses in on symptoms and altering the chemical flow in the body.
And when I say that they sometimes get it right, I like to add my own question; right for who? The psychotherapist, the pharmacist, the patient, the politician, the law, the society, the stigma, the taboos, and so on ...
Ant disease should be treated with care and compassion, not the powers that be.
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worldly beings are insane thoInedible wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 10:05 pm This is the sort of thing best determined for one person at a time. For that one person, it is best to start with a general medical examination in person. Environmental changes might be recommended. For some, however, once all that is ruled out the best answer is medication to bring a person back into the range of normal level disorder. Even then, approaches based on mindfulness and meditation can cause side effects, making anxiety and depression worse.
There are different degrees of crazy. Even more crazy people can have good days. The point is that most of the books I read suggest that people get help getting to regular crazy before starting with the self-help. Sometimes it means medication if your psychiatrist says so. Always use your own judgment and get the facts on your own. Your doctor should be a partner, not your boss.
ADHD is a very suspicious and a very new diagnosis. It is very much prone to subjectivity.salayatananirodha wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:45 ami think ADHD is a good example.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:02 pmAnd sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they do even more harm to the patients. They hardly go to the root cause, but focuses in on symptoms and altering the chemical flow in the body.
And when I say that they sometimes get it right, I like to add my own question; right for who? The psychotherapist, the pharmacist, the patient, the politician, the law, the society, the stigma, the taboos, and so on ...
Ant disease should be treated with care and compassion, not the powers that be.
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Depends on the drug. Different drugs have different levels of scientifically verified success in helping with these disorders. I would say that say it's good to take the right amount provided you're being followed by a very competent doctor and have at least two more independent medical opinions from very competent doctors that agree with your main doctor. And, very important, it's crucial to pay attention to interactions with other medications before taking them, no matter how trivial sounding the medications are.salayatananirodha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:58 am i may not have captured all of the opinions possible so i added 'other'
[update:] two people appear to have voted for "these drugs treat symptoms without fixing the causes" but this option originally said "there is nothing immoral or unethical about taking psychotropic medications". i edited this one because i thought it was kind of obvious
If I were a kid today, I would be one that would easily be subject to some mind-controlling means. And how can a kid stay sane in this society, when its core is profoundly sick. I don't fear any of those so-called ADHD kids, but really fear those kids that adapt to the system and becomes successes: We find them later in life as our bosses, politicians, police, and business sharks.salayatananirodha wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 2:45 ami think ADHD is a good example. kids are diagnosed with ADHD and put on stimulants. but thats because compulsory, day-to-day, hours-long education in arts & sciences is considered what is appropriate for everyone. never mind that kids are sort of naturally hyperactive. some kids dont care to learn what is being taught in school and wont use it in their lives that much. some would excel if they could be taught suitable to their disposition. having an attention deficit doesnt mean you have a disorder, or that somethings wrong with you. and yeah i think anxiety and depression are similar and they do not occur randomly.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:02 pmAnd sometimes they get it right, and sometimes they do even more harm to the patients. They hardly go to the root cause, but focuses in on symptoms and altering the chemical flow in the body.
And when I say that they sometimes get it right, I like to add my own question; right for who? The psychotherapist, the pharmacist, the patient, the politician, the law, the society, the stigma, the taboos, and so on ...
Ant disease should be treated with care and compassion, not the powers that be.
Edit: Voted 2
No amount of the Buddha's teaching is going to stop my schizophrenic brother from hearing voices that aren't there. The one and only thing that can do that is medication. Without this medication, he would not even be capable of practicing any of the Buddha's teaching to begin with.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:10 pmIf there is one who has total knowledge of the flow, then yes, but since there is no one that has it, no one should try controlling it.seeker242 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 10:44 amAnd when the root cause is biological, altering the biology is entirely appropriate.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 4:02 pm They hardly go to the root cause, but focuses in on symptoms and altering the chemical flow in the body.
The root cause is not just biological, it is psycho/bio/cultural. That's a holistic take on this mess.
Buddhas teaching is the best way to control it, and that means to do something with the controller.
I don't know anything else but consciousness, and that I despite a couple of heavy diagnosis, learned to cope with it after I trusted awareness completely. And without knowledge and experience with Buddhas teachings, I would be totally lost, or dead by now.seeker242 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:03 pmNo amount of the Buddha's teaching is going to stop my schizophrenic brother from hearing voices that aren't there. The one and only thing that can do that is medication. Without this medication, he would not even be capable of practicing any of the Buddha's teaching to begin with.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:10 pmIf there is one who has total knowledge of the flow, then yes, but since there is no one that has it, no one should try controlling it.
The root cause is not just biological, it is psycho/bio/cultural. That's a holistic take on this mess.
Buddhas teaching is the best way to control it, and that means to do something with the controller.
I'm glad it helped But, it's virtually impossible to trust your awareness when your awareness tell you the ceiling fan is talking to you.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:48 pm learned to cope with it after I trusted awareness completely.
What I know is that without the medication, my brother would be lost or dead by now. Or, too busy literally talking to ceiling fans and thinking they are actually talking back to him...And sometimes people think I'm just joking when I say things like that, but I'm not...And without knowledge and experience with Buddhas teachings, I would be totally lost, or dead by now.
That may be the case for you but it's certainly not the case for everyone. Although, to think of it in term of either/or, as if somehow medication and Buddhism are somehow mutually exclusive, is a misguided idea. For many people, taking the medication is the very thing that allows them to learn and practice Buddhism to begin with. Without which they would be unable to do so, especially so when brain circuits are not operating properly, which is a biological malfunction of the brain. The Buddha's teaching is not the best way to deal with actual brain damage. Just like it's not the best way to deal with cancer or heart disease.Buddhas teaching is the best way to control it
Without elaborating on the specifics, I did much more than just talking to ceiling fans ... And I was put on some mind-controlling drugs that contained the "madness" into a smaller space of being. But that was even worse because now I was trapped in a confined space where there was no space for reflecting and seeing what was going on, I had become the going on, completely. I tried this hellish state for almost a year, - a year where I tried to gather as much knowledge about these symptoms and the way it was treated by the powers that be. And to make the story short, concluding that this is just wrong, and based on a lack of knowing what consciousness really is, so I quit all drugs and went back to basic practice.seeker242 wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 10:52 pmI'm glad it helped But, it's virtually impossible to trust your awareness when your awareness tell you the ceiling fan is talking to you.Crazy cloud wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:48 pm learned to cope with it after I trusted awareness completely.
What I know is that without the medication, my brother would be lost or dead by now. Or, too busy literally talking to ceiling fans and thinking they are actually talking back to him...And sometimes people think I'm just joking when I say things like that, but I'm not...And without knowledge and experience with Buddhas teachings, I would be totally lost, or dead by now.
Can't practice Buddhism when you are too busy talking to ceiling fans. Sometimes, Buddhism is just not good enough, especially so when your brain circuits don't operate properly.
That may be the case for you but it's certainly not the case for everyone. Although, to think of it in term of either/or, as if somehow medication and Buddhism are somehow mutually exclusive, is a misguided idea. For many people, taking the medication is the very thing that allows them to learn and practice Buddhism to begin with. Without which they would be unable to do so, especially so when brain circuits are not operating properly, which is a biological malfunction of the brain. The Buddha's teaching is not the best way to deal with actual brain damage. Just like it's not the best way to deal with cancer or heart disease.Buddhas teaching is the best way to control it