Coronavirus (Wellness, Diet & Fitness)

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Some home care advice for home quarantine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTvd7oAEyhs
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SarathW wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:28 am Some home care advice for home quarantine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTvd7oAEyhs
You appear to be promoting a superstition & therefore being a slave of Mara.

The probable truth is:

1. Covid-19 is a more serious virus but is not deadly to 99% of people.

2. The world cannot stop the spread of Covid-19.
Amazon Confirms Nearly 20,000 Covid-19 Cases Among Employees

Union for food and commercial workers calls stat “the most damning evidence we have seen that corporate America has completely failed to protect our country’s frontline workers in this pandemic”

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What we know:

It is serious disease, far more serious than say the flu.
"Most people with COVID-19 experience mild symptoms or moderate illness. Approximately 10-15% of cases progress to severe disease, and about 5% become critically ill. For some people, some symptoms may linger or recur for weeks or months following initial recovery. This can also happen in people with mild disease. Sep 11, 2020" WHO
It does not spare the young, the old, the fit, or the unfit. There is no long term immunity, even to the same strain, from having had it once and there may not be short term
The experimental drugs currently being tried, like Remdesivir, are not cures but have shown promise in reducing the viral load in some severely ill patient. Some are actually harmful in less than severe patients.
We know how to slow and stop its transmission. Testing, contact tracing, quarantine, combined with the use of masks, frequent hand washing, and a reduction of contacts have been very effective when implemented.
We know enough to say actual effective treatments and vaccines are being developed and we could see them sometime next year.

So take precautions, which are all you can do and will help. But do not panic, which helps no one but can harm you or others. Look to your practice.
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Coronavirus hit badly in Sri Lanka.
COVID was well under control (under 15) for a long time and yesterday the new cases increase by 720.
It appears the whole garment factory was infected.
This is a sign that this virus is impossible to stop.
It is important to note the death rate as Sri Lanka is adopting western and eastern medicine (Ayurveda) to treat patients.
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Caodemarte wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:47 pm What we know:
......
......
...... There is no long term immunity, even to the same strain,.......
I have never heard this before.....can you provide a reference in support?
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chownah wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:32 am
Caodemarte wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:47 pm What we know:
......
......
...... There is no long term immunity, even to the same strain,.......
I have never heard this before.....can you provide a reference in support?
chownah
Of course, knowledge changes as we discover more but here are some samplings of reports. The antibody reaction to many viruses does not confirm long term immunity and, of course, even less to variants of the same virus. Anybody who has been reinfected with flu, the same variant or a new one, knows this. In some families people re-infect each other. The bottom line is that even people who have recovered should take care not to catch or re-spread the virus.

The question of whether we can be reinfected with COVID-19 has been resolved. In August, genome sequencing confirmed that a 33-year-old man in Hong Kong had indeed been infected by the same virus a second time. So too was the case for a 25-year-old man in the United States, though the originating case study has yet to be peer reviewed.

This strengthens earlier reports that have surfaced periodically throughout the pandemichttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what ... -vaccines/

There are no confirmed reports to date of a person being reinfected with COVID-19 within 3 months of initial infection. However, additional research is ongoing. Therefore, if a person who has recovered from COVID-19 has new symptoms of COVID-19, the person may need an evaluation for reinfection, especially if the person has had close contact with someone infected with COVID-19. The person should isolate and contact a healthcare provider to be evaluated for other causes of their symptoms, and possibly retested.

CDC recommends that all people, whether or not they have had COVID-19, take steps to prevent getting and spreading COVID-19. Wash hands regularly, stay at least 6 feet away from others whenever possible, and wear masks.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ation.html


In addition to fending off the virus the first time, that immune response also creates memories of the virus, should it try to invade a second time. It’s thought, then, that people who recover from Covid-19 will typically be protected from another case for some amount of time. With other coronaviruses, protection is thought to last for perhaps a little less than a year to about three years.https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/28/cov ... lications/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ation.html


Sporadic accounts of reinfection — people recovering from COVID-19, only to test positive for the disease again — have stoked fears that immunity might be short-lived. On 24 August, news broke of a man in Hong Kong who had been infected twice, with genetically distinct variants of SARS-CoV-2, although he showed no symptoms the second time.https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02400-7
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Caodemarte wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:33 pm
chownah wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:32 am
Caodemarte wrote: Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:47 pm What we know:
......
......
...... There is no long term immunity, even to the same strain,.......
I have never heard this before.....can you provide a reference in support?
chownah
Of course, knowledge changes as we discover more but here are some samplings of reports. The antibody reaction to many viruses does not confirm long term immunity and, of course, even less to variants of the same virus. Anybody who has been reinfected with flu, the same variant or a new one, knows this. In some families people re-infect each other. The bottom line is that even people who have recovered should take care not to catch or re-spread the virus.

The question of whether we can be reinfected with COVID-19 has been resolved. In August, genome sequencing confirmed that a 33-year-old man in Hong Kong had indeed been infected by the same virus a second time. So too was the case for a 25-year-old man in the United States, though the originating case study has yet to be peer reviewed.

This strengthens earlier reports that have surfaced periodically throughout the pandemichttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what ... -vaccines/

There are no confirmed reports to date of a person being reinfected with COVID-19 within 3 months of initial infection. However, additional research is ongoing. Therefore, if a person who has recovered from COVID-19 has new symptoms of COVID-19, the person may need an evaluation for reinfection, especially if the person has had close contact with someone infected with COVID-19. The person should isolate and contact a healthcare provider to be evaluated for other causes of their symptoms, and possibly retested.

CDC recommends that all people, whether or not they have had COVID-19, take steps to prevent getting and spreading COVID-19. Wash hands regularly, stay at least 6 feet away from others whenever possible, and wear masks.https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ation.html


In addition to fending off the virus the first time, that immune response also creates memories of the virus, should it try to invade a second time. It’s thought, then, that people who recover from Covid-19 will typically be protected from another case for some amount of time. With other coronaviruses, protection is thought to last for perhaps a little less than a year to about three years.https://www.statnews.com/2020/08/28/cov ... lications/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ation.html


Sporadic accounts of reinfection — people recovering from COVID-19, only to test positive for the disease again — have stoked fears that immunity might be short-lived. On 24 August, news broke of a man in Hong Kong who had been infected twice, with genetically distinct variants of SARS-CoV-2, although he showed no symptoms the second time.https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02400-7
I think what you have shown is that there seems to be a small number of people who did not get long term immunity......I think that you have not shown what you claimed previously which is "There is no long term immunity". I think that presently it is not known if there will be long term immunity and what percent of those contracting the disease will be immune long term.

I also think that it is a mistake to assume that there will be long term immunity for most people and I think that it is a mistake to assume that the virus will not mutate noting that it is entirely likely that the virus will mutate which would make any immunity to the current virus irrelevant with respect to protecting people from the new mutated strain.
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Many, many virus infections do not cause long term immunity. Some do. Some give short term immunity. Some do not.

There is no evidence that recovery from corona virus infection confers long term immunity. There is evidence that recovered patients have been reinfected with the same strain that caused the original infection. There is some evidence that patients may (or may not) acquire some degree of short term immunity for various lengths of time. This short term, but not long term immunity would be pretty standard for many virus infections (note that some vaccines require booster shots) of this type. If you have recovered from the virus follow the public health guidelines. Do not refuse testing, if available, with the claim that you are someone now immune or ignore symptoms. Above all, do not spread the virus by neglecting the precautions we know work well.

Keep as well as you can, do not harm others, and take strength from your practice.
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It appears China is going to start a mass imunisation programme.

Sinovac’s Coronavac™, SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine (Vero Cell), Inactivated, Announces Approval for Phase I/II Clinical Trial in Adolescents and Children

https://pipelinereview.com/index.php/20 ... ldren.html
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Caodemarte wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:50 pm Many, many virus infections do not cause long term immunity. Some do. Some give short term immunity. Some do not.

There is no evidence that recovery from corona virus infection confers long term immunity. There is evidence that recovered patients have been reinfected with the same strain that caused the original infection. There is some evidence that patients may (or may not) acquire some degree of short term immunity for various lengths of time. This short term, but not long term immunity would be pretty standard for many virus infections (note that some vaccines require booster shots) of this type. If you have recovered from the virus follow the public health guidelines. Do not refuse testing, if available, with the claim that you are someone now immune or ignore symptoms. Above all, do not spread the virus by neglecting the precautions we know work well.

Keep as well as you can, do not harm others, and take strength from your practice.
Nevada man's COVID-19 reinfection, the first in the US, is 'yellow caution light' about risk of coronavirus
https://news.yahoo.com/nevada-mans-covi ... 55707.html
Just saw this article and thought you might be interested in seeing it. My main take away from the article is the statements that indicate that natural immunity and vaccine immunity are different with the vaccine probably being better....and that with a vaccine one would likely get one to two years of immunity.

I don't know if people think of one to two years as being "long term" with respect to immunity.....also we should remember that so far there is nothing that indicates that even one to two year immunity will happen at all in any circumstance...and likewise there will always be the possibility that the virus will mutate making any immunity worthless going forward...
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chownah wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:37 am.
....My main take away from the article is the statements that indicate that natural immunity and vaccine immunity are different with the vaccine probably being better...
If we know how, vaccines are designed to give or provoke a broader, less specific reaction to cover strain variations. The attempt is to have the body react to the basic structure or functions of a virus family so that strain variations are irrelevant. There have been promising attempts to create a "pan-flu" vaccine along these lines Bill Gates was trying to get the government to fund further research (his foundation was already funding a lot).

Sadly, the "vaccines" now being given and sold by Russia and China have no supporting data. At best they are conducting unethical mass human trials of limited scientific value.
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Namaste i want to share my experience. What i learned from family members was that if you take fast medical attention immediately the symptoms appeared and if you go with a doctor with experience in curing covid19 you can save your life. You have to be heedful. Now there are medicines that can cure covid19 and also doctors that do it. What might had helped me could be taking antiflu(also oseltamivir and ibuprofeno the first weeks), taking the sun(vitamin D) with full body in my garden like being in the beach (this also helps digestion as i had noticed) , taking lemonade, and being young without too much obesity. I wish this can help someone. obesity can be an important factor so losing weight can save your life. I got covid but symptoms never appeared. Remember being heedful and go to a good doctor immediately, dont think it twice, the days passing are crucial between life and death. This illness develops quickly. My father got cured from pneumonia using certain medicines that even Donald Trump used some of them. My father got cured thanks to his own brother that is a doctor.
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Caodemarte wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:50 pm Many, many virus infections do not cause long term immunity. Some do. Some give short term immunity. Some do not.

There is no evidence that recovery from corona virus infection confers long term immunity. There is evidence that recovered patients have been reinfected with the same strain that caused the original infection. There is some evidence that patients may (or may not) acquire some degree of short term immunity for various lengths of time. This short term, but not long term immunity would be pretty standard for many virus infections (note that some vaccines require booster shots) of this type. If you have recovered from the virus follow the public health guidelines. Do not refuse testing, if available, with the claim that you are someone now immune or ignore symptoms. Above all, do not spread the virus by neglecting the precautions we know work well.

Keep as well as you can, do not harm others, and take strength from your practice.
What i heard from a doctor from covid hospital in the usa was that it gives around 3 months of immunity. After that you can recatch the virus.
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mario92 wrote: Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:09 pm
Caodemarte wrote: Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:50 pm Many, many virus infections do not cause long term immunity. Some do. Some give short term immunity. Some do not.

There is no evidence that recovery from corona virus infection confers long term immunity. There is evidence that recovered patients have been reinfected with the same strain that caused the original infection. There is some evidence that patients may (or may not) acquire some degree of short term immunity for various lengths of time. This short term, but not long term immunity would be pretty standard for many virus infections (note that some vaccines require booster shots) of this type. If you have recovered from the virus follow the public health guidelines. Do not refuse testing, if available, with the claim that you are someone now immune or ignore symptoms. Above all, do not spread the virus by neglecting the precautions we know work well.

Keep as well as you can, do not harm others, and take strength from your practice.
What i heard from a doctor from covid hospital in the usa was that it gives around 3 months of immunity. After that you can recatch the virus.
What I heard from many doctors is that they don't know yet.
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