retrofuturist wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:45 am
Throughout this topic, radical Marxist views rooted in identity, aversion and greed have been thoroughly refuted by sutta.
If you can find anything venerable Dhammanando says here or elsewhere that can be refuted by suttas, then bring it forward.
Otherwise, you are merely sullying his good name by mentioning him in the same breath as renegades in robes.
Here you are laying emphasis on the content that you find disagreeable and judge to be adhammic. So it is not so much the holding and expressing views that you find objectionable for monastics, but the actual content of these views.
Personally, I am very happy for Ven Dhammanando to hold conservative views, just as I am happy for other Bhikkhus to hold liberal ones and find nothing adhammic in either.
That's because I don't see liberal or progressive views as necessarily promoting identity, aversion and greed, though individuals of course, may. Liberal and progressive views (just like conservative and other views) are worldly and stem from mundane positions, not from supramundane positions. But mundane positions, while provisional, can be useful. Refuting them with supramundane teachings risks missing their import, their purview. That's the most I've seen people do here with the sutta quotes.
Mr Man, I am sorry that I just went along with that assertion without checking it. Now that I google it, I see a statement of solidarity:
https://www.faithintowerhamlets.org/wp- ... 6/here.pdf
I think the statement is self-explanatory and I don't see anything that contradicts the Dhamma in it.