Guided Big Mind Meditations?

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Guided Big Mind Meditations?

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I recently came across a guided big mind meditation by Shaila Catherine and found that it immediately deepened my formal practice greatly. I prefer to not listen to the same recording over and over again, however, so I found a couple others: one by Jack Kornfield and another by Howard Cohn. Does anyone know of any others?

If you've not tried the "Big Mind" meditation I'd highly recommend it. Here are the ones mentioned above:


Please let me know if you know of any others.

SC:
http://imsb.org/prev/teachings/guidedMeditations.php

JK:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SroTzdcqEBg

HC:
http://dharmaseed.org/talks/audio_player/82/24531.html

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Hi Philosopher,

You could look at:
http://www.dharmaseed.org/talks/?page=2 ... e_items=10
http://www.audiodharma.org/talks/audio_player/1770.html

Perhaps you could explain the idea of "Big Mind".

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mikenz66 wrote:Hi Philosopher,

You could look at:
http://www.dharmaseed.org/talks/?page=2 ... e_items=10
http://www.audiodharma.org/talks/audio_player/1770.html

Perhaps you could explain the idea of "Big Mind".

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Mike
Thank you!!

I don't think I am a position to explain anything, but the sense I get is that these meditations attempt to cultivate a vast, expansive, inclusive nature of the mind. Shaila's meditation also includes questions that lead to insight.

Still very much a beginner so the above is just my initial impression, but this "technique" or attitude is working very well for me at this stage.


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Big Mind.... Sort of an unfortunate term, I think... reminds me of Mr. Merzel's shenanigans.
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Here are some previous discussions:
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=20
http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=13078

I'm not familiar with this idea, but from listening to a little of Shaila's guided meditation, this could very well be a helpful way of breaking down some preconceptions, and becoming more aware. I wouldn't personally want to use it as a primary method, or use it as a basis for insight, but that applies to a number of other visualisation-related techniques, such as metta meditation.

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daverupa wrote:Big Mind.... Sort of an unfortunate term, I think... reminds me of Mr. Merzel's shenanigans.
There was a Brad Warner article which criticised Dennis Merzel/Genpo Roshi's "Big Mind":

http://hardcorezen.blogspot.co.uk/2010/ ... llion.html


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Big Mind is a Zen expression likely coined by Suzuki Roshi which Dennis Merzel/Genpo has co-opted for his version of whatever.

I doubt that others mentioned use it the way Dennis Merzel/Genpo does. It is far more like they are using "Big Mind" the way Suzuki Roshi used in his book ZEN MIND, BEGINNER'S MIND.

Here is a brief description of Suzuki's notion of big mind: Big mind and little mind are just concepts that Shunryu Suzuki used to explain the difference between self as an ideal to cling to and self as the real nature of your own existence. At least I think Shunryu Suzuki coined the terms, and I don't think it's a direct translation of any term in common use, but I suppose it might be. Anyways, clinging to the little mind is problematic. Clinging to anything is problematic, but in order to understand the nature of existence, big mind, one has to let go of cherished ideas about one's identity, small mind. At least, I think that's one way to think about it.
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tiltbillings wrote:At least I think Shunryu Suzuki coined the terms...
Brad Warner mentiones Suzuki in the article I referenced :
This is serious business. Big Mind™ is irresponsible and dangerous.

But there is a lot of irresponsible and dangerous stuff going on in the world of this type of cheesy vaguely Eastern feel-good-now spirituality. The reason I have focused so much attention on Genpo Roshi’s rotten Big Mind™ scam is because it pretends to be related to Zen. Not only to Zen, but to the Soto tradition of Master Dogen. Genpo has even stolen Suzuki Roshi’s phrase “big mind” — first used in his book Zen Mind, Beginner’s Mind — and trademarked it for himself (SFZC really should make a legal complaint about that, since they own the copyright to Suzuki’s works). But Big Mind™ has nothing whatsoever in common with real Zen practice.

http://hardcorezen.blogspot.co.uk/2010/ ... llion.html
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From Steve Armstrong:

http://dharmaseed.org/teacher/170/?search=big+mind" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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This is our foundation: to have sati, recollection, and sampajañña, self-awareness, whether standing, walking, sitting, or reclining. Whatever arises, just leave it be, don’t cling to it. Whether it’s like or dislike, happiness or suffering, doubt or certainty... Don’t try to label everything, just know it. See that all the things that arise in the mind are simply sensations. They are transient. They arise, exist and cease. That’s all there is to them, they have no self or being, they are neither ‘us’ nor ‘them’. None of them are worthy of clinging to.

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Joseph Goldstein:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SroTzdcqEBg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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This is our foundation: to have sati, recollection, and sampajañña, self-awareness, whether standing, walking, sitting, or reclining. Whatever arises, just leave it be, don’t cling to it. Whether it’s like or dislike, happiness or suffering, doubt or certainty... Don’t try to label everything, just know it. See that all the things that arise in the mind are simply sensations. They are transient. They arise, exist and cease. That’s all there is to them, they have no self or being, they are neither ‘us’ nor ‘them’. None of them are worthy of clinging to.

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Ines Freedman:

http://www.audiodharma.org/talks/audio_player/1770.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:namaste:
This is our foundation: to have sati, recollection, and sampajañña, self-awareness, whether standing, walking, sitting, or reclining. Whatever arises, just leave it be, don’t cling to it. Whether it’s like or dislike, happiness or suffering, doubt or certainty... Don’t try to label everything, just know it. See that all the things that arise in the mind are simply sensations. They are transient. They arise, exist and cease. That’s all there is to them, they have no self or being, they are neither ‘us’ nor ‘them’. None of them are worthy of clinging to.

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"Mind" in reference to something absolute has gotten a lot of use especially in zen. My sense of the use of the term "Big Mind" is that its at least a little farther away from the sense (as i understand it from looking at some of the vids and some reading) in which some zen ancestors used the term "Mind" and it might be helpful to look at some of the earlier uses of "Mind" as background.

This for instance from the intro to "The Zen Teachings of Huang Po" translated by John Blofeld:
The text indicates that Huang Po was not entirely satisfied with his choice of the word “Mind” to symbolize the inexpressible Reality beyond the reach of conceptual thought, for he more than once explains that the One Mind is not really MIND at all. But he had to use some term or other, and “Mind” had not often been used by his predecessors. As Mind conveys intangibility, it no doubt seemed to him a good choice, especially as the use of this term helps to make it clear that the part of a man usually regarded as an individual entity inhabiting his body is, in fact, not his property at all, but common to him and to everybody and everything else. (It must be remembered that, in Chinese, “hsin” means not only “mind,” but “heart” and, in some senses at least, “spirit” or “soul” – in short, the so-called REAL man, the inhabitant of the body-house.) If we prefer to substitute the word “Absolute,” which Huang Po occasionally uses himself, we must take care not to read into the text any preconceived notions as to the nature of the Absolute. And, of course, “the One Mind” is no less misleading, unless we abandon all preconceived ideas, as Huang Po intended.
I dont think there is anything really new about "Big Mind" except the packaging and marketing and imo it never helps to further objectify ideas like this.
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