That's my point. So why do some either avoid teaching this or teach that it's wrong?Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:08 amYou will find it in the Vibangha (roughly 250 B.C. or 150 years after the Buddha’s final Nibbana). I believe the Sarvāstivādins also taught the same, since they have an equivalent to the Vibangha. SuttaCentral isn’t working atm, but I’ll quote it soon.woodsman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:04 amOk, I'll play
So there's no trail of teachings regarding following the breath at the nose in order to evoke a sufficient amount of concentration that may or may not induce Jhana, the purpose of which is to focus on the inherent nature of phenomena using a subtle and undistracted mind?
Historically this has not been taught no?
Nyanamoli Thera
Re: Nyanamoli Thera
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You don’t get to Jhana by focusing on the inherent nature of dhammas. That’s generates insight. You get to Jhana by focusing upon a concept, which leads to absorption into 1 perceptual/conceptual image.woodsman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:04 amOk, I'll play
So there's no trail of teachings regarding following the breath at the nose in order to evoke a sufficient amount of concentration that may or may not induce Jhana, the purpose of which is to focus on the inherent nature of phenomena using a subtle and undistracted mind?
Historically this has not been taught no?
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
Re: Nyanamoli Thera
Some argue that “parimukkham” is better translated as “bringing mindfulness to the fore”. The Visuddhimagga recognises both interpretations, as does the Paṭisambhidāmagga if I recall correctly.woodsman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:09 amThat's my point. So why do some either avoid teaching this or teach that it's wrong?Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:08 amYou will find it in the Vibangha (roughly 250 B.C. or 150 years after the Buddha’s final Nibbana). I believe the Sarvāstivādins also taught the same, since they have an equivalent to the Vibangha. SuttaCentral isn’t working atm, but I’ll quote it soon.woodsman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:04 am
Ok, I'll play
So there's no trail of teachings regarding following the breath at the nose in order to evoke a sufficient amount of concentration that may or may not induce Jhana, the purpose of which is to focus on the inherent nature of phenomena using a subtle and undistracted mind?
Historically this has not been taught no?
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
Re: Nyanamoli Thera
I edited my first post. It now has the quote and link.woodsman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:09 amThat's my point. So why do some either avoid teaching this or teach that it's wrong?Ceisiwr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:08 amYou will find it in the Vibangha (roughly 250 B.C. or 150 years after the Buddha’s final Nibbana). I believe the Sarvāstivādins also taught the same, since they have an equivalent to the Vibangha. SuttaCentral isn’t working atm, but I’ll quote it soon.woodsman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:04 am
Ok, I'll play
So there's no trail of teachings regarding following the breath at the nose in order to evoke a sufficient amount of concentration that may or may not induce Jhana, the purpose of which is to focus on the inherent nature of phenomena using a subtle and undistracted mind?
Historically this has not been taught no?
“Knowing that this body is just like foam,
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”
understanding it has the nature of a mirage,
cutting off Māra’s flower-tipped arrows,
one should go beyond the King of Death’s sight.”