Nyanamoli Thera

[woodsman]

I don't get it

Ok, I'll play

So there's no trail of teachings regarding following the breath at the nose in order to evoke a sufficient amount of concentration that may or may not induce Jhana, the purpose of which is to focus on the inherent nature of phenomena using a subtle and undistracted mind?

Historically this has not been taught no?

You will find it in the Vibangha (roughly 250 B.C. or 150 years after the Buddha’s final Nibbana). I believe the Sarvāstivādins also taught the same, since they have an equivalent to the Vibangha. SuttaCentral isn’t working atm, but I’ll quote it soon.

That's my point. So why do some either avoid teaching this or teach that it's wrong?

[Ceisiwr]

I don't get it

Ok, I'll play

So there's no trail of teachings regarding following the breath at the nose in order to evoke a sufficient amount of concentration that may or may not induce Jhana, the purpose of which is to focus on the inherent nature of phenomena using a subtle and undistracted mind?

Historically this has not been taught no?

You don’t get to Jhana by focusing on the inherent nature of dhammas. That’s generates insight. You get to Jhana by focusing upon a concept, which leads to absorption into 1 perceptual/conceptual image.

[Ceisiwr]

Ok, I'll play

So there's no trail of teachings regarding following the breath at the nose in order to evoke a sufficient amount of concentration that may or may not induce Jhana, the purpose of which is to focus on the inherent nature of phenomena using a subtle and undistracted mind?

Historically this has not been taught no?

You will find it in the Vibangha (roughly 250 B.C. or 150 years after the Buddha’s final Nibbana). I believe the Sarvāstivādins also taught the same, since they have an equivalent to the Vibangha. SuttaCentral isn’t working atm, but I’ll quote it soon.

That's my point. So why do some either avoid teaching this or teach that it's wrong?

Some argue that “parimukkham” is better translated as “bringing mindfulness to the fore”. The Visuddhimagga recognises both interpretations, as does the Paṭisambhidāmagga if I recall correctly.

[Ceisiwr]

Ok, I'll play

So there's no trail of teachings regarding following the breath at the nose in order to evoke a sufficient amount of concentration that may or may not induce Jhana, the purpose of which is to focus on the inherent nature of phenomena using a subtle and undistracted mind?

Historically this has not been taught no?

You will find it in the Vibangha (roughly 250 B.C. or 150 years after the Buddha’s final Nibbana). I believe the Sarvāstivādins also taught the same, since they have an equivalent to the Vibangha. SuttaCentral isn’t working atm, but I’ll quote it soon.

That's my point. So why do some either avoid teaching this or teach that it's wrong?

I edited my first post. It now has the quote and link.