Epistemologically unprovable

[Bundokji]

Had anyone encountered a method of meditation where an Epistemologically unprovable statement is taken as true? such as a wild idea, or nonsense taken as true because it cannot be falsified?

[SarathW]

I think all Samatha and Vipassana meditation is Epistemologically unprovable.
I hope I understood your question.
Say if I tell you that I have attained Arupavara Jhana, how you are going to prove I am wrong?

[Bundokji]

I think all Samatha and Vipassana meditation is Epistemologically unprovable.
I hope I understood your question.
Say if I tell you that I have attained Arupavara Jhana, how you are going to prove I am wrong?

I am wondering if the same thing can be said about the three marks of existence. They are neither testable nor falsifiable. In order to test them, you will have to confine "sabba" into a paradigm. In logical terms, they are nonsense. And yet, their truth value seems to be driven by this, that they are unprovable or unfalsifiable.

[Sam Vara]

I think all Samatha and Vipassana meditation is Epistemologically unprovable.
I hope I understood your question.
Say if I tell you that I have attained Arupavara Jhana, how you are going to prove I am wrong?

I am wondering if the same thing can be said about the three marks of existence. They are neither testable nor falsifiable. In order to test them, you will have to confine "sabba" into a paradigm. In logical terms, they are nonsense. And yet, their truth value seems to be driven by this, that they are unprovable or unfalsifiable.

One might say that the job of testing and falsifying has already been done by the Perfected One, who broke through to reality and therefore didn't have need of a paradigm. We just need to have enough faith to practice in line with what he said.

[Jack19990101]

I think all Samatha and Vipassana meditation is Epistemologically unprovable.
I hope I understood your question.
Say if I tell you that I have attained Arupavara Jhana, how you are going to prove I am wrong?

I am wondering if the same thing can be said about the three marks of existence. They are neither testable nor falsifiable. In order to test them, you will have to confine "sabba" into a paradigm. In logical terms, they are nonsense. And yet, their truth value seems to be driven by this, that they are unprovable or unfalsifiable.

What we take as true or real, is a sign of what we identified with(or at). Once the identification stops, it is immediately falsified.

When we practice with 3 marks, it is not about 'all', it is about what we identified with(or as) as of now. Body/feeling/mind/Dhamma via sutta instruction. That is the theme we take on to contemplate. If we think body is real, it is a sign we are identified with the body.

Now, once we disillusioned(aka dis-identified) with(or as) our body, 'Sabba' gonna manifest itself as anicca/anatta.
'sabba' piece is beyond practice as you mentioned. Instead it will come to you.

As if the general is taken down, the army surrounders without further prompt.

[SarathW]

I think all Samatha and Vipassana meditation is Epistemologically unprovable.
I hope I understood your question.
Say if I tell you that I have attained Arupavara Jhana, how you are going to prove I am wrong?

I am wondering if the same thing can be said about the three marks of existence. They are neither testable nor falsifiable. In order to test them, you will have to confine "sabba" into a paradigm. In logical terms, they are nonsense. And yet, their truth value seems to be driven by this, that they are unprovable or unfalsifiable.

One might say that the job of testing and falsifying has already been done by the Perfected One, who broke through to reality and therefore didn't have need of a paradigm. We just need to have enough faith to practice in line with what he said.

Agree.
For many of us things such as rebirth, Kamma Vipaka, 32 planes of existence, etc, are to be taken on faith.