looking for impermanence

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PeterB
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Re: looking for impermanence

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effort wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
effort wrote:but it needs that i keep the idea in the background, if you dont name it thinking
Says who?
i dont understand, you mean that i dont need to keep the idea of annica in the background? it will be experienced after enough observing?
I would suggest that is more likely with good instruction...but yes. The reality of anicca will be unavoidable.
Just as you wouldnt have to keep the idea of cold in your mind if you jumped into a British river...
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Re: looking for impermanence

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effort wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:
effort wrote:but it needs that i keep the idea in the background, if you dont name it thinking
Says who?
i dont understand, you mean that i dont need to keep the idea of annica in the background? it will be experienced after let say correct practice?
You do not need to keep the idea of anicca in the background; that is just thinking. You need to, with sufficient concentration and mindfulness, watch without comment.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.

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Upasika Kee:
If there’s anything you have to think about, keep your thoughts on the themes of inconstancy, stress and not-self. You have to keep the mind thinking and labeling solely in reference to these sorts of themes, for if your thinking and labeling are right, you’ll come to see things rightly. If you go the opposite way and label things wrongly, you’ll see things wrongly as well. This keeps the mind completely hidden from itself.

Now, when thoughts or labels arise in the mind, then if you focus on watching them closely, you’ll see that they’re sensations—sensations of arising and disbanding, changeable, unreliable and illusory. If you don’t make an effort to keep a focused watch on them, you’ll fall for the deceptions of thought-fabrication. In other words, the mind gives rise to memories of the past and fashions issues dealing with the past, but if you’re aware of what’s going on in time, you’ll see that they’re all illusory.
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Re: looking for impermanence

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thanks for responses
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Re: looking for impermanence

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Hello effort
impermanence, suffering and not-self
all three things mean that in samsara there is no solid or permanent phenomena,there is no solid thing/s mental or physical
suffering is not solid and change
impermanence is not solid and change
not-self is not solid and change
taints or fetters not solid and change
if tains or fatters were solid and unchangeable
then we could not escape samsara
but fatter and tains are suffering, impermanent and not-self
that's why we have a chance to escape samsara
Nibbana is not solid entity as nibbana is not-self
metta
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Re: looking for impermanence

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effort wrote:did buddha emphasis on of looking for impermanence intentionally or it will grow and realized by its own? for example in Anapanasati Sutta he didnt say that one should see annica in the breath.
I don't think it is not important what technique you want to use it.

If we can see impermanent by looking for it, then go ahead.

If we can realize it by naked awareness, go for it.

If we can make use the breath to see Anicca, that is ok.

If we can make use of our thought to see Anicca, that is also ok.

In short, it doesn't matter whether Buddha emphasis it or not. The point is can we realize it?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!
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