Plagarism or copy pasting is stealing?

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Plagarism or copy pasting is stealing?

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I have some great information in a free app but people cant find it easily... should i usr some of the information in app and compile into pdf and sell for little cash? My job is only compailing and dont create the original content.

The original content is however found in many apps so is it free to copy paste?
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:56 pm I have some great information in a free app but people cant find it easily... should i usr some of the information in app and compile into pdf and sell for little cash? My job is only compailing and dont create the original content.

The original content is however found in many apps so is it free to copy paste?
It's hard to answer such a general question. Is the information freely available elsewhere? What copyright/copyleft does the app use?

Some sites and apps are unfortunately not very clear. SuttaCentral spells out things in detail (since some material is copyright by publishers) https://suttacentral.net/licensing
As does AccessToInsight: https://www.accesstoinsight.org/faq.html#copyright
DhammaTalks: https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
and most other such sites.

For the SuttaCentral-created material, the notice reads, in part:
You are invited to copy, alter, redistribute, present, perform, convey, or make use of any or all of this material in any way you wish.
This would include making books that are sold. For example: https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/sujato/
This is somewhat in the spirit of the GNU Project's "Free (as in freedom) software".
As Richard Stallman writes https://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.en.html
Since “free” refers to freedom, not to price, there is no contradiction between selling copies and free software. ...
Many Dhamma sites (such as DhammaTalks.org) forbid such selling. Personally, I think the approach of making the material available online, but making books available for purchase (such as the Lulu books listed above) is sensible.
It's not trivial, or cheap, to make a one-off book. However, one should read the copyright statements carefully.

Note: I have not looked in detail about how CCO 1.0 https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ works in practice. In the case of open-source software the licenses are carefully designed to prevent software based on other open-source software from being copyrighted. Presumably the case of texts is a little simpler, and the fact that the texts (such as the Sutta Central translations) are released under CCO 1.0 would prevent someone trying to assert copyright over the texts by printing them up into a book.

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I have copy-pasted some Suttas to Dhamma Wiki, but only those that are in public domain, offered for free and my distribution is also for free, no charges or money involved.
For the translations of most of the suttas and passages from the Pali Canon, the great Theravada website resource, Access to Insight is used. For the suttas and passages in the original Pali, the Sri Lanka Tripitaka Project, is used, which is a public domain electronic version of the Pali Canon. Terms of use for translations from Access to Insight and other sites with public domain translations: You may copy, reformat, reprint, republish, and redistribute this work in any medium whatsoever, provided that: (1) you only make such copies, etc. available free of charge; (2) you clearly indicate that any derivatives of this work (including translations) are derived from this source document; and (3) you include the full text of this license in any copies or derivatives of this work. Otherwise, all rights reserved.
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 8:56 pm I have some great information in a free app but people cant find it easily... should i usr some of the information in app and compile into pdf and sell for little cash? My job is only compailing and dont create the original content.

The original content is however found in many apps so is it free to copy paste?


Since you are talking about making money from the material, I'd check with the sources you are using, even though it is free, you might be violating a copyright if you intend to charge.
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While all that is to consider, with The Dhamma an overriding consideration can be that there can be no price on something so universally precious and helping making it available even to the poorest of the poor is meritorious while doing otherwise for personal gain is not.
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sunnat wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 12:50 am While all that is to consider, with The Dhamma an overriding consideration can be that there can be no price on something so universally precious and helping making it available even to the poorest of the poor is meritorious while doing otherwise for personal gain is not.
That's certainly the principle I try to follow. However, I don't think that charging for the cost of production and shipping of a book is putting a price on Dhamma. If the material can be downloaded anyway, it is simply providing another option, which is a gain in my view. For example, I would be happy to pay for printed copies of books such as these: https://forestsangha.org/teachings/book ... ge=English since I like reading them as books.

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Write a new pdf based on the information and give credit to your source. Ideally use more than one source. Make your new pdf better than the original.
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You could approach the issue of plagiarism by linking it to the fourth precept. Why would people want to claim ownership of something that has been obtained second hand?

As long as your intention is not to claim false ownership, and if the app allows its users to download the information, then it could be OK. You could also reflect on how declaring that the information in the PDF are taken from the app would affect the sale of the PDF. Would including such declaration on the first page and stating that what you are charging is justified by the time and effort you put into compiling the information put you in an ethical or legal trouble?
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hi it is not related to dhamma.. it is related to some lay life stuff which has nothing to do with religion... its economics stuff
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Bundokji wrote: Tue May 11, 2021 10:14 am You could approach the issue of plagiarism by linking it to the fourth precept. Why would people want to claim ownership of something that has been obtained second hand?

As long as your intention is not to claim false ownership, and if the app allows its users to download the information, then it could be OK. You could also reflect on how declaring that the information in the PDF are taken from the app would affect the sale of the PDF. Would including such declaration on the first page and stating that what you are charging is justified by the time and effort you put into compiling the information put you in an ethical or legal trouble?
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