StrivingforMonkhood
We need to be concerned first and foremost with our own morality - not the immorality of others. We must stay focused on our "practical" world, as it applies to our real-life experiences -- not imagined or hypothetical ones.
We also live in a society and as laymen participate in that society. Society needs laws. We have laws against killing other human beings.
It is interesting to note how I was so harshly judged as "pro-abortion" because I don't believe that anyone can ultimately control another person's body. Sorry, but you cannot, no matter how immoral you may deem their actions.
You do not understand how human rights and laws work it seems. By this argument, we can have no laws against theft or murder.
People need to stop letting emotion instead of reason get a hold of themselves.
"Reason is the slave of the passions". I do find it amusing how you paint your position as being the rational one and one like mine as being "emotional". As I have already said, if you subscribe to the Dhamma and human rights then to be logically consistent you should oppose abortion both on a personal level and on a societal level in terms of laws.
Just as violent as you saw my posts for supposedly justifying the killing of unborn children (which I did not), I saw terrible violence in seeing a woman being forced to give birth against her will to an unwanted child (government, prison guards, etc.). In the end, if a woman is hellbent on ending her pregnancy, she will do so. Also, women have no obligation at all to share their pregnancy status to begin with. It's not to be public knowledge.
Indeed. Some people are also hellbent on theft even if there are laws against it. However, laws do act as a deterrent for most people.
Again, if someone wants to kill himself, you ultimately cannot stop the person, even if it might be very immoral.
False equivalence. Suicide is the killing of oneself. Abortion is the killing of another human being.
Just like a woman with child: if she is hellbent on killing herself or unborn child, I ultimately cannot stop her. Bodily autonomy reigns supreme. The body is in her body, not outside of it. That said, there are, however, consequences for all of our actions. And I never said it wasn't killing, or that it was without consequence, even severe (karma). I got a lot of words put into my mouth.
But the state can stop her, just like how it can try to stop theft. The woman cannot use her bodily autonomy to violate the rights of another human being.