Having sex not for procreation

[luigiman]

This has probably been asked many times before, I’ve tried searching but I haven’t gotten a clear answer.

Does having sex not for procreation (condom, pulling out before ejaculation) violate any precep?

[DooDoot]

The precept is about who you have sex with rather than how or for what reason you have sex.

[Ceisiwr]

This has probably been asked many times before, I’ve tried searching but I haven’t gotten a clear answer.

Does having sex not for procreation (condom, pulling out before ejaculation) violate any precep?

No. That’s very much an abrahamic and Mahāyāna teaching (not sure about the various traditions of Hinduism or Sikhism). That being said, as far as I can tell having one night stands is a violation. As DooDoot said it’s about who you have sex with, so as to minimise harm (bad kamma) in yourself and others. So, no cheating, sex with children, sex with someone else’s partner and so on. If you are to have sex it should be within a loving and committed relationship, married or not, with a consenting adult who isn’t already in a relationship/married. Within that relationship it’s not a violation to use condoms, or to engage in non-procreative sex or foreplay. The Buddha didn’t micromanage laymen’s sex lives like that.

However, some forms of contraception can cause the death of a fertilised egg. This would be a violation of the first precept, as the Buddha was against abortion.

Metta

[dharmacorps]

No. That’s very much an abrahamic and Mahāyāna teaching (not sure about the various traditions of Hinduism or Sikhism).

This is very much so the case. There is no distinction I can remember in the suttas whatsoever of sex for procreation vs recreational sex. Procreative sex good/non-procreative sex bad-- seems like a distinctly Abrahamic thing (actually an obsession really).

[confusedlayman]

The precept is about who you have sex with rather than how or for what reason you have sex.

what about dolls? or toys?

[confusedlayman]

This has probably been asked many times before, I’ve tried searching but I haven’t gotten a clear answer.

Does having sex not for procreation (condom, pulling out before ejaculation) violate any precep?

have sex for having babies so ur generation continues. all other types dont recommend. celibecy if u really apply wisdom easy.

[Ceisiwr]

Greetings confusedlayman,

have sex for having babies so ur generation continues. all other types dont recommend.

That isn’t the Buddha’s teaching.

Metta

[Ceisiwr]

The precept is about who you have sex with rather than how or for what reason you have sex.

what about dolls? or toys?

That’s basically masturbation, which isn’t against the 3rd precept for laymen or women.

Metta

[confusedlayman]

The precept is about who you have sex with rather than how or for what reason you have sex.

what about dolls? or toys?

That’s basically masturbation, which isn’t against the 3rd precept for laymen or women.

Metta

but still based on wrong view. people with wrong view has only hell and animal realm. what u say of that?

[Ceisiwr]

what about dolls? or toys?

That’s basically masturbation, which isn’t against the 3rd precept for laymen or women.

Metta

but still based on wrong view. people with wrong view has only hell and animal realm. what u say of that?

If it lead directly to hell the Buddha would have warned against it. Masturbation in of itself isn’t wholesome kamma, but it can be mixed kamma if it’s mutual maturation with a partner. Likewise other types of foreplay, or anal sex.

Metta

[confusedlayman]

That’s basically masturbation, which isn’t against the 3rd precept for laymen or women.

Metta

but still based on wrong view. people with wrong view has only hell and animal realm. what u say of that?

If it lead directly to hell the Buddha would have warned against it. Masturbation in of itself isn’t wholesome kamma, but it can be mixed kamma if it’s mutual maturation with a partner. Likewise other types of foreplay, or anal sex.

Metta

u are right. I masturbrate yet i am progression in dhamma but now i am working on breath meditation and next month on contemplastion of feeling. i think if i do that even masterbrate will decrease and go in to history...

[2600htz]

Hi:

1)There are many sets of precepts: you have the 5 precepts, the 8 precepts, the 10 precepts, 227 precepts, etc.

2)You probably are talking about the 5 precepts, in that case, no, it does not count as sexual misconduct. But when you take 8 precepts or more yes, because one is not having sex.

3)The precepts are a protection against the most popular ways people fall into despair, not against every way people fall into despair. For example: You can torture people and still be able to follow the 5 precepts.

Regards.

[Ceisiwr]

2600htz

3)The precepts are a protection against the most popular ways people fall into despair, not against every way people fall into despair. For example: You can torture people and still be able to follow the 5 precepts.

Regards.

People don’t just follow the 5 precepts and that’s it. They also adopt kamma, teachings on the 4 directions etc.

Metta