buying/using gun

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Hey guys,

after covid, i might be going to some country like israel and live for sometime where all citizens are recommended to own their own gun .. I always like a soceity where there is no weapons

but if im in situation where buying gun is mandatory, should i buy and not use it? or just move to safer neibourhood. I might go temporary for few months or few years to get some training related to academics.
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I don’t know any country where buying a gun is mandatory. That being said, there is nothing wrong in owning a gun and it is indeed a human right to do so. If you do buy one only use it in self defence and never to kill.
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""Bhikkhus. Uposatha is comprised of eight factors which the Ariyan disciple observes, the observation of which brings glorious and radiant fruit and benefit.

"Bhikkhus. What is the Uposatha which, observed by the Ariyan disciples, brings glorious and radiant fruit and benefit?"

"Bhikkhus. Ariyan disciples in this Religion reflect thus:

"'All arahants, for as long as life lasts, have given up the intentional taking of life. The club and sword have been laid down. They have shame and are compassionate toward all beings.'

"All of you have given up the intentional taking of life, have put down all weapons, are possessed of shame and are compassionate toward all beings. For all of this day and night, in this manner, you will be known as having followed the arahants, and the Uposatha will have been observed by you. This is the first factor of the Uposatha."
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thanks. but i hate having weapons. i even prohibit the use of kitchen knife .. but i wont kill.
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confusedlayman wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:01 pm thanks. but i hate having weapons. i even prohibit the use of kitchen knife .. but i wont kill.
Then no need to have one. My parents lived in Israel for several years. They never owned a gun.
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confusedlayman wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:01 pm thanks. but i hate having weapons. i even prohibit the use of kitchen knife .. but i wont kill.
Owning a gun doesn't mean you will kill someone.
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DNS wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:18 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:01 pm thanks. but i hate having weapons. i even prohibit the use of kitchen knife .. but i wont kill.
Then no need to have one. My parents lived in Israel for several years. They never owned a gun.
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I don't know about the rest of the world but in the usa the people who own guns are significantly more likely to die by gunshot....or at least that is what I've heard....someone could research this and get a more certain answer.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:20 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:01 pm thanks. but i hate having weapons. i even prohibit the use of kitchen knife .. but i wont kill.
Owning a gun doesn't mean you will kill someone.
It does mean that you are willing to kill someone. The only way to ensure that you will not kill someone, with your gun, is to never have any bullets for it. Bullets are not needed to threaten someone with a gun and it is unlikely that you would kill someone by using the gun as a club. The purpose of a gun is to kill, not to wound or threaten.

(Of course firing range enthusiasms are a different story.)
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You can use a gun without intention to kill.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:28 pm there is nothing wrong in owning a gun and it is indeed a human right to do so
What?
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Mr Man wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:20 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:28 pm there is nothing wrong in owning a gun and it is indeed a human right to do so
What?
there is nothing wrong in owning a gun and it is indeed a human right to do so.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:23 pm
Mr Man wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:20 pm
Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:28 pm there is nothing wrong in owning a gun and it is indeed a human right to do so
What?
there is nothing wrong in owning a gun and it is indeed a human right to do so.
What do you mean it is a "human right"? You do not have the "right" to own a gun where I live.
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Mr Man
What do you mean it is a "human right"? You do not have the "right" to own a gun where I live.
That people have a right to own a gun for self defence just like they have the human right to life, liberty, property, marriage, religion etc regardless of if the state recognises said right or not.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:33 pm Mr Man
What do you mean it is a "human right"? You do not have the "right" to own a gun where I live.
That people have a right to own a gun for self defence just like they have the human right to life, liberty, property, marriage, religion etc regardless of if the state recognises said right or not.
Nope. That is a falsehood. There is no right to own a gun in the UK. And I don't think there is anything in the sutta to support your view. Perhaps you are trying to pass off non-Buddhist ideas.
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