Does pornography leads to rebirth in a lower realm?

[Inedible]

One time when I was meditating a long time ago I felt a rush of pleasure fill my body for no apparent reason. It was disturbing because I thought I did something wrong. Most of the actual sex I have had wasn't that good, never mind porn. On the other hand all I need is a few seconds with a search engine and I get to choose the keywords. It seems like with meditation there is no control over what you will get. Even the best instructions leave a person completely dependent on luck.

[Meezer77]

I’m no porn expert but I do know that the actors working in the adult entertainment industry are addicts and only do it to fund their addiction. They have to pander to fetishes which I won’t go into too much detail about cos they’re pretty gross. Anime doesn’t involve actual people, so does that make it better? I dunno. Thoughts?

[confusedlayman]

for lay people it is best to be avoided... because when we see porn the x concooisness gets footing and strengthened so when u see someone in real life, mind will easily fantasise like porn in head instead of seeing it as repulsive.

[Ionbuddy]

Not all porn is the same. Watching depictions of cruelty for pleasure is probably pretty bad. But there's also drawn stories done in the context of a loving relationship, which I'm not convinced would be bad at all thing unless you're a monastic.

[Samana_Johann]

Hello forum members. I know that porn is harmful. Sometimes I am watching anime porn. I think I have an anime porn addiction. I have a question. Should I make an effort to distance myself from anime porn? Does pornography leads to rebirth in a lower realm? Thanks for the answers.

It has brought good householder already in realms similar animals or deeper, hasn't it? And isn't it hard and not easy to gain a higher existance again, yet while still possible? Don't may one waste time in abounding low ways, agati!

[Samana_Johann]

Not all porn is the same. Watching depictions of cruelty for pleasure is probably pretty bad. But there's also drawn stories done in the context of a loving relationship, which I'm not convinced would be bad at all thing unless you're a monastic.

Who says that effects of actions work out differently depending on cloth or livelihood for the bodily needs? Aging, sickness, death... that all stays bad and is caused by seeking of wrong relaying-ship.

[Ionbuddy]

Not all porn is the same. Watching depictions of cruelty for pleasure is probably pretty bad. But there's also drawn stories done in the context of a loving relationship, which I'm not convinced would be bad at all thing unless you're a monastic.

Who says that effects of actions work out differently depending on cloth or livelihood for the bodily needs? Aging, sickness, death... that all stays bad and is caused by seeking of wrong relaying-ship.

I never said that it works out differently. Unless I'm misremembering there's a standard for monastics and a lower standard for laypeople. I'm not suggesting that watching any type of porn will magically have no consequences good or bad. But I think it's seriously narrow-minded to say all porn is exactly the same. As others have said, not all music is the same, why would it be any different for any other medium?

[Samana_Johann]

Not all porn is the same. Watching depictions of cruelty for pleasure is probably pretty bad. But there's also drawn stories done in the context of a loving relationship, which I'm not convinced would be bad at all thing unless you're a monastic.

Who says that effects of actions work out differently depending on cloth or livelihood for the bodily needs? Aging, sickness, death... that all stays bad and is caused by seeking of wrong relaying-ship.

I never said that it works out differently. Unless I'm misremembering there's a standard for monastics and a lower standard for laypeople. I'm not suggesting that watching any type of porn will magically have no consequences good or bad. But I think it's seriously narrow-minded to say all porn is exactly the same. As others have said, not all music is the same, why would it be any different for any other medium?

So what would be the different aside of personal preferances...



Lust toward sensuality stays lust, or? It would be like saying going into a fitnessucenter or paint ones nails is different to meet ones "Sangha" for a meditation wellbeing. Hobbies, but non of them leads to freedom from addictions.

[Ionbuddy]

Who says that effects of actions work out differently depending on cloth or livelihood for the bodily needs? Aging, sickness, death... that all stays bad and is caused by seeking of wrong relaying-ship.

I never said that it works out differently. Unless I'm misremembering there's a standard for monastics and a lower standard for laypeople. I'm not suggesting that watching any type of porn will magically have no consequences good or bad. But I think it's seriously narrow-minded to say all porn is exactly the same. As others have said, not all music is the same, why would it be any different for any other medium?

So what would be the different aside of personal preferances...



Lust toward sensuality stays lust, or? It would be like saying going into a fitnessucenter or paint ones nails is different to meet ones "Sangha" for a meditation wellbeing. Hobbies, but non of them leads to freedom from addictions.

So depictions of a husband and wife together are equivalent to depictions of unrestricted meaningless sexuality and potential violence? Well, I have to politely disagree.

However, I agree with you that it won't lead to freedom, which is why I didn't say it would.

[Samana_Johann]

I never said that it works out differently. Unless I'm misremembering there's a standard for monastics and a lower standard for laypeople. I'm not suggesting that watching any type of porn will magically have no consequences good or bad. But I think it's seriously narrow-minded to say all porn is exactly the same. As others have said, not all music is the same, why would it be any different for any other medium?

So what would be the different aside of personal preferances...



Lust toward sensuality stays lust, or? It would be like saying going into a fitnessucenter or paint ones nails is different to meet ones "Sangha" for a meditation wellbeing. Hobbies, but non of them leads to freedom from addictions.

So depictions of a husband and wife together are equivalent to depictions of unrestricted meaningless sexuality and potential violence? Well, I have to politely disagree.

However, I agree with you that it won't lead to freedom, which is why I didn't say it would.

Observe dogs, and the reflect again. Observe a gourmet in an 5 star restaurant and a fat child at Mc Donald or a pig, and then reflect again... preferances and it would be hypocratical to give them a higher ranking.

Metuna Sutta might help in regard of the meaning of Brahmacariya, higher realms of existance, meaning at least above of the harmful realm of sensuality. Form, sound, smell, taste, touch.

If it wouldn't be possible, the Master wouldn't have taught and there is no hindrance in leading the Brahmacariya even as a couple as householder, is physical bond or by real duties.

When the Buddha encouraged to follow good samples for Upasaka, Upasika, he mentioned always Non-returner for it. So certain right pride, not wrong pride, is required to strive. Remember the Bhikkhuni Sutta, fitting well here.

And really no need to agree with my person, good householder, but good if with that what is right and good investigated and taught by the wise.

(but may one be careful in watching animal, streetudog-porns, as elders here in the land of wonder use to say: blindness ond eye problems come from watching dogs love on the street... eye problems?)

If one says there is a different for those watching porns and those maintaining relations providing with such kind of joy, that would thenbe possible because porn-watcher, for the most, simply "steal" their pleasures and let others do the hard job.

[Ionbuddy]

If one says there is a different for those watching porns and those maintaining relations providing with such kind of joy, that would thenbe possible because porn-watcher, for the most, simply "steal" their pleasures and let others do the hard job.

I hadn't thought of it that way. You make an interesting point. But if we assume porn does change what you aim for, then aiming for a stable relationship is better than aiming for a string of one night stands or heedless lust.

Being completely withdrawn from sensual pleasures would be the best possible option because sensual pleasures are quite distracting and can easily deceive a person back into being heedless, but a lot of people won't do that for a variety of reasons.

[Pondera]

“Discipline is for the purpose of restraint. Restraint is for the purpose of non-remorse. Non-remorse is for the purpose of joy.”

The only thing wrong with wasting your energy on porn is that if you restrain yourself from porn your kamma will improve and you will likely meet someone who you can share a real human relationship with (as opposed to cartoons).

[Samana_Johann]

If one says there is a different for those watching porns and those maintaining relations providing with such kind of joy, that would thenbe possible because porn-watcher, for the most, simply "steal" their pleasures and let others do the hard job.

I hadn't thought of it that way. You make an interesting point. But if we assume porn does change what you aim for, then aiming for a stable relationship is better than aiming for a string of one night stands or heedless lust.

Being completely withdrawn from sensual pleasures would be the best possible option because sensual pleasures are quite distracting and can easily deceive a person back into being heedless, but a lot of people won't do that for a variety of reasons.

Yes, good householder, righteous trade, no stealing, not causing others fear... upright to pay for ones relaying-ship, that is the first step, securing no downfall. Yet it is not a way upward yet, but requires steady sacrifices, dukkha, for that low pleasure, if good, without intentional causing others be forced to sacrifices.

The reason why people don't pay the wage is because they think they can escape from debts. Something one might reflect on when observing the live of common animals, females steedy hunted and made pregnant by males, no way to escape, not even by "compassionate" abortion laws. Such is cause of taking what isn't given and run away from debts... sometimes facing such even if gained human existance.

"Susan beware of the devil", or Upasaka beware of Mara. Each slavery is selfmade, selfmaintained, yet sure many love to be even sex-slaves.

Observe it! Pride is importand! Don't you be able to perform your ways of gaining certain joy to walk on different from common, different from animals? How could you ever reach Jhana if having such a picture of yours bond in the sensual realms?

[Samana_Johann]

“Discipline is for the purpose of restraint. Restraint is for the purpose of non-remorse. Non-remorse is for the purpose of joy.”

The only thing wrong with wasting your energy on porn is that if you restrain yourself from porn your kamma will improve and you will likely meet someone who you can share a real human relationship with (as opposed to cartoons).

But such, good householder, is called the Uposatha of the wild dog...... asceticism for later enjoyments, merely the way of the Jhains.

It doesn't end with "Non-remorse is for the purpose of joy...", if right view, dukkha, has been the first element of conditioned co-disapearing (lokuttara paṭiccasamuppāda). This training is made for release, not for joy.

[Pondera]

“Discipline is for the purpose of restraint. Restraint is for the purpose of non-remorse. Non-remorse is for the purpose of joy.”

The only thing wrong with wasting your energy on porn is that if you restrain yourself from porn your kamma will improve and you will likely meet someone who you can share a real human relationship with (as opposed to cartoons).

But such, good householder, is called the Uposatha of the wild dog...... asceticism for later enjoyments, merely the way of the Jhains.

It doesn't end with "Non-remorse is for the purpose of joy...", if right view, dukkha, has been the first element of conditioned co-disapearing (lokuttara paṭiccasamuppāda). This training is made for release, not for joy.

Good householder; this training is gradual and includes joy along the way (along with tranquility; pleasure; and rapture - to mention only a few).

See below:

discipline is for the sake of restraint, restraint is for the sake of not being remorseful, not being remorseful is for the sake of joy, joy is for the sake of delight, delight is for the sake of tranquillity, tranquillity is for the sake of happiness, happiness is for the sake of concentration, concentration is for the sake of knowledge and vision of what has come to be as it really-is, knowledge and vision of what has come to be as it really is is for the sake of turning away, turning away is for the sake of dispassion, dispassion is for the sake of freedom, freedom is for the sake of the knowledge and vision of freedom, the knowledge and vision of freedom is for the sake of final nibbāna without clinging.

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