asahi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:23 am
Bhante , according to what you have said the meaning of full lifespan is vague and uncertain.
It is "uncertain" in the sense that we don't know how long we shall live. It's "certain" in the sense that our maximum possible life-span according to Theravada doctrine was kammically determined at the moment of rebirth-linking.
It is "vague" only in the sense that most limiting adjectives and adverbs are
somewhat inexact, but not in the sense that they are completely inexact. They will suffice for a ball park figure.
For example, if I tell you that there were
several monks in the Uposatha hall, you won't know the exact number of monks, but it's a reasonable surmise that you could probably count them with the fingers on one or two hands. Certainly there won't be hundreds of them.
asahi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:23 amIf according to suttas description of the full lifespan for that era (Buddha's time) should be of 100 years . Therefore , your presumption of 125 does not stands.
The Araka Sutta gives the figure of "100 years or a little more" for the present era. It's you, not me, who brought up the possibility of living to 125 years. I don't myself believe that anyone in our age has lived that long, but if they did then my reply would be that 25 years more than a hundred might conceivably fall within the range of "a little more"
asahi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:23 amHere is a case for your reference . Zaro Aga lifespan reached to 170 years claimed to be the longest living person known
But it's not a proven claim. It's a contested one. If we confine ourselves to well-established claims...
Outside of mythology, the record for the maximum verified lifespan in the modern world is 122+1⁄2 years for women (Jeanne Calment) and 116 years for men (Jiroemon Kimura). Some scientists estimate that in case of the most ideal conditions people can live up to 127 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity_myths
asahi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:23 amFurthermore , as confusedlayman said above , arahants with jhanic based power can live up to an aeon (a regular kappa of 16 million years). I guess this can be ascertained from the suttas .
I have already covered this point. It isn't the jhānas but the iddhipādas whose mastery can lead to one living to the end of a kappa. But what does "kappa" mean here? Some Indian Buddhists thought that it meant that one might live to the end of an aeon, i.e., for millions of years. Others thought it meant that the iddhipādas have the power to overcome any obstructive kamma that might foreshorten your kammically determined maximum life-span. The latter view is the one upheld in the Theravada.
For details of the controversy, see P. S. Jaini's paper,
Buddha's Prolongation of Life (Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, vol. 21, issue 3).
asahi wrote: ↑Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:23 amIf there is any kind of huge difference and great impact on human He could make would be if He could live for another thousand or few thousand years .
But if you're going to side with the non-Theravadin understanding of "kappa" here, then it wouldn't be "another thousand or few thousand years." It would be millions of years.