Can We Hear Sound in Jhāna?

The cultivation of calm or tranquility and the development of concentration
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ToVincent wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:23 am
pitithefool wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:53 pm .....
Personally, I translate it: "separating oneself from objects of sensual pleasures".
But that's my take.

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I think that makes sense. I really feel that the whole point of jhana is to happiness that doesn't depend on sense pleasures rather than anything else. A happiness that's more reliable and can quell the thirst of the mind more thoroughly and more consistently than sense pleasures can.
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pitithefool wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:43 pm I really feel that the whole point of jhana is to happiness that doesn't depend on sense pleasures rather than anything else. A happiness that's more reliable and can quell the thirst of the mind more thoroughly and more consistently than sense pleasures can.
I could not agree more.
Something different than on a purely moral sense - more like the only way to reach higher and finer states.
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Some working for the Mara's world; some for the Brahma's world; some for the Unborn.
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Those who desire good are few, and those who desire evil are many.
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(And you just can't imagine how much goodness, those who desire evil, are ready to display - ToVincent).
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ToVincent wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:00 pm
pitithefool wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:43 pm I really feel that the whole point of jhana is to happiness that doesn't depend on sense pleasures rather than anything else. A happiness that's more reliable and can quell the thirst of the mind more thoroughly and more consistently than sense pleasures can.
I could not agree more.
Something different than on a purely moral sense - more like the only way to reach higher and finer states.
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Indeed :anjali: :anjali: :anjali:
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pitithefool wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:43 pm
ToVincent wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:23 am
pitithefool wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:53 pm .....
Personally, I translate it: "separating oneself from objects of sensual pleasures".
But that's my take.

Personal jhāna Cheatsheet: https://rentry.co/m3inp
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I think that makes sense. I really feel that the whole point of jhana is to happiness that doesn't depend on sense pleasures rather than anything else. A happiness that's more reliable and can quell the thirst of the mind more thoroughly and more consistently than sense pleasures can.
Absolutely spot on. A total cutting off of sense objects seems a temporary fix that will leave you back at square one when you re-emerge. It's almost like hiding in a room to avoid your problems rather than tackling them head on and finding a more fruitful and pleasurable alternative to grief and desire.
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BrokenBones wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:39 pm
pitithefool wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:43 pm
ToVincent wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 7:23 am
Absolutely spot on. A total cutting off of sense objects seems a temporary fix that will leave you back at square one when you re-emerge. It's almost like hiding in a room to avoid your problems rather than tackling them head on and finding a more fruitful and pleasurable alternative to grief and desire.
Awesome! And like ToVincent said, it's like the door out of samsara. If it's practiced wisely, it leads to a place where you don't need to feed any more at all.
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