Money with jhana

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JamesTheGiant wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 9:34 pm I have a friend who sells all his stocks and shares, before he goes on retreat. He cannot relax and meditate well, if it's not in stable cash.
that's understandable
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Nobodyisspecial wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 2:28 am Does anyone else find jhana absorbtion not possible with a large bank account?
Actually, I find it to be the opposite. You need a lot of money for instruction, books, retreats, travel to retreats, missing work. It is much worse in Mahayana. You really have to be well off to be in Vajrayana. At least with the Theravada the important thing is to be somewhere by yourself doing something with what you have already learned.
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There are no monetary costs associated with learning and practicing Mahāyāna Buddhism. If you want to buy books, buy books, but Mahāyāna Buddhism is learned from those who have renounced money. Donation is a great activity that needs to be optional, otherwise it is a fee. If someone is charging exorbitant fees for retreats and personalized teaching, that is a bad sign.
The spotless mind,
the most highly pure, the tranquil,
all unspoiled phenomena supporting,
this name applying to the consciousness of the Tathāgata.

A bodhisattva, one of two vehicles, an ordinary person:
these are thrones which hold seeds subject to germination.
In acquiring the virtuous pure mind of a Buddha,
which is resolute suchness, the sūtra says:

The Tathāgata's spotless mind
is a pure place without outflows.
It is liberation from all bondage.
It is like a spherical mirror.
It is consciousness always in internal agreement.

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Coëmgenu wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 12:56 am Mahāyāna Buddhism is learned from those who have renounced money.
I'd like to meet that kind of Mahayana group.
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I don't believe that having a big bank account should be an obstacle to meditation. It is more likely the case that you have made it an obstacle and therefore it has become one. If you didn't have money it would be a different kind of obstacle. Just let go of the fixation, it's just conceptual and not real.
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But oh, by the way, if you really want to unload some cash I'm always here for you...
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confusedlayman wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:23 pm
sphairos wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 4:59 pm The stories about rich people getting stream-entry are obviously a bait for the rich people to donate to the saṅgha. We should take them as such.
dont make bad karma thinking this way... even buddha was richest man as he was son of great king who is of course richest in that country
The Buddha was a homeless wandering ascetic. He wasn't a prince or anything.
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sphairos wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 11:56 am
confusedlayman wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:23 pm
sphairos wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 4:59 pm The stories about rich people getting stream-entry are obviously a bait for the rich people to donate to the saṅgha. We should take them as such.
dont make bad karma thinking this way... even buddha was richest man as he was son of great king who is of course richest in that country
The Buddha was a homeless wandering ascetic. He wasn't a prince or anything.
he was a prince before he left for spirutual life
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confusedlayman wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 11:58 am
sphairos wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 11:56 am
confusedlayman wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 8:23 pm

dont make bad karma thinking this way... even buddha was richest man as he was son of great king who is of course richest in that country
The Buddha was a homeless wandering ascetic. He wasn't a prince or anything.
he was a prince before he left for spirutual life
No, it's fairy tales.
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It's not the size of the balance, but the strength of the attachment that counts... These are usually in direct relation to each other, though.
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sphairos wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 12:00 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 11:58 am
sphairos wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 11:56 am

The Buddha was a homeless wandering ascetic. He wasn't a prince or anything.
he was a prince before he left for spirutual life
No, it's fairy tales.
Or you lie and you have no idea if he was a prince or not.
The spotless mind,
the most highly pure, the tranquil,
all unspoiled phenomena supporting,
this name applying to the consciousness of the Tathāgata.

A bodhisattva, one of two vehicles, an ordinary person:
these are thrones which hold seeds subject to germination.
In acquiring the virtuous pure mind of a Buddha,
which is resolute suchness, the sūtra says:

The Tathāgata's spotless mind
is a pure place without outflows.
It is liberation from all bondage.
It is like a spherical mirror.
It is consciousness always in internal agreement.

(T1585.13a19 Vijñaptimātratāsiddhiśāstra)
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Coëmgenu wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 1:22 pm
sphairos wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 12:00 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 11:58 am

he was a prince before he left for spirutual life
No, it's fairy tales.
Or you lie and you have no idea if he was a prince or not.
Or you lie that I lie.
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He was prince as told by him... but it is not the topic of discussion
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confusedlayman wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 4:58 pm He was prince as told by him... but it is not the topic of discussion
You won't find that in the early parts of the Pāli canon. Only in later parts, when this legend had become widespread.
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sphairos wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 5:04 pm
confusedlayman wrote: Wed May 26, 2021 4:58 pm He was prince as told by him... but it is not the topic of discussion
You won't find that in the early parts of the Pāli canon. Only in later parts, when this legend had become widespread.
What early canon says?
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