You are right. Not quite sure what you mean by citta sankhara. Abhidhamma by supplying a variety of words to express the worldly consciousness, has complicated the simplicity of its understanding. People are lost in translation, but I think you have the right idea. It is critical to get rid of Nama-rupa since as long as you retain these two, you keep whirling in samsara.It occurs to me now that the eye and the perception of form are citta sankharas(mental process[Sujato's transl]). And they won't cease unless namarupa is ceased.
That is deluded thinking, maybe he has changed his mind, and it looks like you did not agree with that. What do you mean when you say "Sutta just keep resembling his idea"?Pulsar wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:35 pm
What is Ceiswir's idea of jhana? Can you explain? I am clueless as to the connection between C's understanding and SN 35.117.
His idea at that time were that there is no hearing and seeing happening in a jhana. I don't agree with that, Sutta just keep resembling his idea.
Quite so.For now i adhere to the idea what ceases in jhana(1-4) is namarupa(inclination).
Not sure how to clarify this, but it seems like you understand that salayatana in a soteriological sense, has ceased for the 4th jhana meditator temporarily, or permanently for the Arahant.And if that is ceased then one will understand with an eye of wisdom the eye&perception of form(salayatana).
That i believe is the infamous awareness of an awareness. And why the emphasis of 'one should understand the dimension..' is that it is not completely obvious that one needs specifically acknowledge this eye of wisdom.
What do you think of awareness of awareness(being aware of seeing)?
As for Eye of wisdom ... some say "eye of dhamma" for those that have gotten up to Sotapanna. If you mean eye of wisdom as wisdom of Arahant ... let me try to explain.
You bring in awareness of awareness.. this is a tricky phrase. Forget about the Upanisad awareness. If by awareness of awareness you mean
- emptiness of emptiness
That is the ultimate realization of emptiness, two plusses cancel each other. Final emptiness of the realized one, is unimaginable bliss.
You and I cannot imagine that, with 4th jhana there is a chance of a glimpse.
At this point I cannot explain it any better, is this sufficient? perhaps with time I can do a better job.