Re: Jhana
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:09 pm
A small mass of iron sinks; a similar amount, fashioned into a bowl floats, its heaviness
set off by the new found lightness. There are similes of this nature in the canon,
a small amount of salt, in a cup of water, salty stuff! a teaspoon mixed in a bowl of 100,0000 liters, saltless, seemingly!
Some bring an end to suffering, A saint causes suffering to not arise, even though seemingly the saint resides in Samsara. Nagarjuna apparently said "Samsara is Nibbana" also according to him every concept was an illusion, a bit of a contradiction right there, ain't it?
Revisiting this, in the conventional tongue, why can't it be true in the right context?
But before Nagarjuna said that, it was in the Upanisads? or was it after? Those who want to be sure, may read Maryla Falk "Nama Rupa" freely found on the web. Upanisadic nirvana, is not the same as Buddhist nibbana, however.
Quite a bit of stuff seemingly leaked into the Pali canon, from the "Daily Hindu". Some of us consider Upanisads etc as non-buddhist, including those marks of a great man, again read M. folk, details details.
Some buddhists love to say 'we have mastered the four samapatthis' stacked above the 4 buddhist jhanas, but that is not quite buddhist, Is it?
Is that right concentration? This anomaly is not limited to the Theravada Commentaries only. Buddhaghosa reportedly was fond of Yogacara. Yogacara admittedly has the right concentration plus these 4 Samapatthis of hinduistic origin.
There was plenty of exchange between these two traditions. All buddhistic stuff grew on Upanisadic soil over time. Some of these Hindu philosophers could outsmart the buddhists of the day, simply because the true Buddhist was not into philosophy, he/she would rather retreat into the meditative life, meanwhile the Hindus borrowed and made more appealing stories out of the borrowed stuff.
So called Arupa Samapathis was prevalent among meditators before Buddha's time.
His goal was not Brahma worlds, but just the
Why would he distract his followers by inserting a bunch of Arupa samapatthis atop Buddhistic right concentration and cessation? DN 2 Samannaphala sutta.
Yogacarins promoted something that Buddha did not teach, and it enabled Mahayanists to pack a Bodhisattva into the story line, by inserting him as a permanent resident of the last Arupa samapatthi.
He lives forever there, since he has to wait until all exit Samsara.
A very convenient story. But here is the twist, that Bodhisatta although he is born a numberless times, does not suffer, since he resides in the last Arupa samapatthi. Those who dwell in Arupa Samapathis dwell in Bliss?
This Bodhisattva is only a fairy tale, for the true follower of the Buddha.
The importance of right concentration, as presented in MN 117, needs to be repeatedly emphasized. Samma samadhi is the engagement in the four Buddhist jhanas via which Buddha found a means to end suffering. It is nothing more or nothing less.
With love
set off by the new found lightness. There are similes of this nature in the canon,
a small amount of salt, in a cup of water, salty stuff! a teaspoon mixed in a bowl of 100,0000 liters, saltless, seemingly!
Some bring an end to suffering, A saint causes suffering to not arise, even though seemingly the saint resides in Samsara. Nagarjuna apparently said "Samsara is Nibbana" also according to him every concept was an illusion, a bit of a contradiction right there, ain't it?
Revisiting this, in the conventional tongue, why can't it be true in the right context?
For the saint, it makes no difference, whether it is samsara or nibbana.
But before Nagarjuna said that, it was in the Upanisads? or was it after? Those who want to be sure, may read Maryla Falk "Nama Rupa" freely found on the web. Upanisadic nirvana, is not the same as Buddhist nibbana, however.
Quite a bit of stuff seemingly leaked into the Pali canon, from the "Daily Hindu". Some of us consider Upanisads etc as non-buddhist, including those marks of a great man, again read M. folk, details details.
Some buddhists love to say 'we have mastered the four samapatthis' stacked above the 4 buddhist jhanas, but that is not quite buddhist, Is it?
Is that right concentration? This anomaly is not limited to the Theravada Commentaries only. Buddhaghosa reportedly was fond of Yogacara. Yogacara admittedly has the right concentration plus these 4 Samapatthis of hinduistic origin.
There was plenty of exchange between these two traditions. All buddhistic stuff grew on Upanisadic soil over time. Some of these Hindu philosophers could outsmart the buddhists of the day, simply because the true Buddhist was not into philosophy, he/she would rather retreat into the meditative life, meanwhile the Hindus borrowed and made more appealing stories out of the borrowed stuff.
So called Arupa Samapathis was prevalent among meditators before Buddha's time.
No he walked away from these, proclaiming these would only lead to Brahma worlds.Was Buddha happy and content with these?
His goal was not Brahma worlds, but just the
Would it not be a contradiction, if he later packed so called Arupa samapathis atop the four buddhist jhanas that was clearly sufficient to wipe out all suffering?extinction of suffering
Why would he distract his followers by inserting a bunch of Arupa samapatthis atop Buddhistic right concentration and cessation? DN 2 Samannaphala sutta.
Yogacarins promoted something that Buddha did not teach, and it enabled Mahayanists to pack a Bodhisattva into the story line, by inserting him as a permanent resident of the last Arupa samapatthi.
He lives forever there, since he has to wait until all exit Samsara.
A very convenient story. But here is the twist, that Bodhisatta although he is born a numberless times, does not suffer, since he resides in the last Arupa samapatthi. Those who dwell in Arupa Samapathis dwell in Bliss?
This Bodhisattva is only a fairy tale, for the true follower of the Buddha.
The importance of right concentration, as presented in MN 117, needs to be repeatedly emphasized. Samma samadhi is the engagement in the four Buddhist jhanas via which Buddha found a means to end suffering. It is nothing more or nothing less.
With love