What is the 4th jhana factor you are talking about, I am not familiar with 'it'.In 4th jhana conciousness takes confidence in 4th jhana factor and rest there
I need to get back to the sutta I was discussing earlier i.e. MN 66.
Be well!

What is the 4th jhana factor you are talking about, I am not familiar with 'it'.In 4th jhana conciousness takes confidence in 4th jhana factor and rest there
“Suppose a quail were snared by a rotting creeper, by which it could expect injury, captivity, or death, and someone were to say, ‘This rotting creeper by which this quail is snared, is a weak snare, a feeble snare’ Would the person speaking that way be speaking rightly?”
“No, lord. That rotting creeper, is for her a strong snare, a thick snare, a heavy snare, an unrotting snare, and a thick yoke"
“In the same way, Udāyin, there are some worthless men who, when I tell them, ‘Abandon this,’ say : ‘What? This little, trifling thing? Why is Buddha such a stickler for a minor thing? and they don’t abandon it "They’re rude to me and to the monks bent on training. For them that’s a strong snare, a thick snare, a heavy snare, an unrotting snare, and a thick yoke.
“Now there are some, who, when I tell them, ‘Abandon this,’ say: ‘What? The One Well-Gone has us give up a trifling thing?’ they instantly give up the trifling thing. They are not rude to me or to the other monks in training.
Having abandoned it, they live unconcerned, unruffled, their wants satisfied, with their mind like a wild deer.
For them that’s a weak snare, a feeble snare, a rotting snare, an insubstantial snare.
the Simile of the Quail is a lesson on ease of renunciation, of giving up small pernicious habits. Such developments facilitate ease of entry to four buddhist jhanas, which in turn leads to end of suffering.“Suppose a royal elephant—immense, pedigreed, accustomed to battles, its tusks like chariot poles—were snared with thick leather snares, but by twisting its body a bit it could break & burst those snares and go off wherever it liked.
And suppose someone were to say, ‘Those thick leather snares by which the royal elephant… was snared, but which—by twisting its body a bit— it could break & burst and go off wherever it liked: for him they were a strong snare, a thick snare, a heavy snare, an unrotting snare, and a thick yoke.’ Would the person speaking that way be speaking rightly?’“No, lord. Those thick leather snares, were for him a weak snare, a feeble snare, a rotting snare"
as Ven, Thanissaro writes."Go do jhana, bhikkhus, go meditate"
a poetic or dhammic reference to seclusion from sense pleasures."Under a tree"
He is subjected to bouts of madness. (Think of mad leaders in the human realm) a distinct level of consciousness.Vepacitti, 'Broken mind'.
Buddha, Dhamma, and holy Sangha come alive, in the developed consciousness.
"When evil unwholesome thoughts are abandoned, and mind becomes steadied internally, quieted, brought to singleness, and concentrated"
"This bhikkhu is then called a master of the courses of thought"
Some say one can ride to end of suffering ie using the divine vehicle via Arupa samapatthis. This i find to be curious. SammaSambuddha had rejected Aupa samapatthis as a vehicle to Nibbana, in MN 36 the Grand Words to Saccaka."S/he will think whatever thoughts s/he wishes to think and s/he will not think any thought that s/he does not wish to think"
"S/he has severed craving, the thirst, this incessant need for what is not in the moment, s/he has flung off fetters, and with the penetration of conceit, s/he has made an end of suffering."
It is misconceiving the Dhamma.Clinging to the idea of existence of anything even of Nibbana or the absence of everything (all is illusion) is taking the teaching the wrong way.
Dhamma offers the means of dealing with Mara. MInd not in Samadhi is in the bondage of Mara.these are guises of Mara?
how can it hold Dhmma properly? mocking woman's wisdom!You! with your two fingered wisdom?
challenging Mara."I can make myself so small and walk between your eyebrows...and you would not know what happened"
thrills in it. The wise donkey (meditator) on seeing the cornucopia of "barley grain" thinks"Barley grain barley grain!"
Enslaved by the sensual, its enjoyment."if i enjoy the food, what kind of slavery will be required of me, the obligation?"
The wise meditator leaves behind the Sensual world. Withdrawn, s/heMara sitting in various guises, in the friendly gestures of the sensory world, eye, ear, nose, taste, touch; impressions that spell doom, if partaken, without caution, if not mindfully engaged in
it was 'poetry in motion' the"Kneeling King"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism_in_Buddhismempty chair, bodhi tree, Stupa, a pair of empty footprints, a riderless horse with a parasol floating above an empty space. These used to be the symbols of Buddha, for 500 years since Buddha's passing away,
Abhidhammikas (scholar monks) mapped the brain of Buddha intellectualy. Intellecual endeavour, does not bring us the end of suffering. Some practiced 8-fold path, scrupulously, without skipping steps such as Right View, Right Mindfulness, Right Samadhi, without embracing the 5th century twist given to Right samadhi.The dhamma is immediate? is timeless! Buddha of the earliest suttas, left us with such an impression.
One is no more shattered by the parade of events as they originate due to causes created by man.An appreciation for an "Empty throne" "A pair of Foot prints" still lingers among some of us. And a longing to fill that emptiness with an all pervading loving kindness, a friendliness, ultimately equanimity.
Sona comments "Did the christians understand this fable?A treasure is hidden within a field, a man sells all his wealth to buy the empty field
it misleads people who are trapped within the aggregates, for their tendency is to think that Nibbana exists within the five aggregates, as the universe, or as the mountains do, both of which are subject to disintegration, a technical difficulty, in assimilating info via a limited vocabulary."Nibbana as existence"
What fuels consciousness? consciousness.a mound of foam floating on a river as rupa, a bursting bubble our feelings, our perceptions as a mirage, our volitions as essenceless, as a banana trunk, a spineless thing, all this come to be based on a magic trick.
It is wisdom we strive for.A sharp butcher's knife is the noble wisdom that cuts, severs and carves away the inner defilements, a teaching to Bhikkhunis by an Arahant,"Nandaka's Exhortation"
Folks like this were on DW. I was inspired by DW.'IMO it is not that useful to place these two forms of meditation into little 'boxes'. To do so cuts off a lot of productive avenues for calm and insight coming from implementing a combination of them. anapansati vs Satiptthana"
with love"By this point I had gotten really fed up with laypeople and monks. I no longer wanted to live with the human race. The one thought in my mind was to go off and live alone on a mountaintop, because nibbana is always present"
"Why do some beings attain Nibbana in this very life?"
"There's the case, friend Ananda, where beings discern, as it actually is present,
that 'This perception has a share in decline'; 'This perception has a share in stability'; 'This perception has a share in distinction'; 'This perception has a share in penetration.
Reversely or conversely, persons who do not discern in the above manner are glued to samsara.'This is the cause, this is the reason, why some beings become totally unbound in the present life.'
away from sensuality, bending towards non-ill-will (ie loving-kindness), away from cruelty, leaning towards compassion.aim is peaceful renunciation
Thank you Ven. Brahmali for being a most excellent salesperson for Dhamma.I just wonder how useful it is to say that jhāna is not required. It might encourage people to stop short, with the potential of stopping their progress on the path. And I am not speaking from theory; I know people who have had this exact problem.
Just by these words Bhaddiya was converted,"You should constantly remove greed, do not do any action born of greed,
whether by body, speech, or mind. Likewise by hatred, likewise by delusion, likewise by vehemence.
To repeat the last, you should constantly remove vehemence, do neither any action born of vehemence, whether by body, speech, or mind, nor encourage another to do so.
Bhaddiya replied."Excellent is that converting magic, Good is that converting magic"
How much more for a human being? Was Buddha using Sal tree awakening as a metaphor? to impress upon Bhaddiya the power of Skillfulness."If these Sal trees would be converted, by these words,
that would lead to the welfare and happiness even of those great Sal trees
for a long time, if they could choose"
left on me."constant removal",
Side effects of jhana practice needs to spill over to one's daily activity.
Actions and speech are informed by what one thinks, and one's thinking is transformed only via Rupa Jhanas.
from Udana1.1As phenomena grow clear to the
brahman— ardent, in jhāna —
his doubts all vanish when he discerns a phenomenon
with its cause.
Where BB usestranslation is tricky, there is as much a chance of getting the meaning right, as Shrodinger's cat had of being alive.
which are also called Rupa jhanas. Many discuss Arupa on other threads, which are not teachings of the Buddha.4 buddhist jhanas
This being, that is;
from the arising of this, that arises?
delusion createsThat sense of non-identity, It gives you an incredible sense of relief,
This brief poem incorporates the entire doctrine, if only one had eyes to see."How did you cross the stream of samsara?"
"neither standing nor swimming, i crossed the flow"
With loveThat is:
with ignorance as condition, volitional activities come to be;
with volitional activities as condition, consciousness comes to be;
with consciousness as condition, name-and-form comes to be;
with name-and-form as condition, the sixfold base comes to be;
with the sixfold base as condition, contact comes to be;
with contact as condition, feeling comes to be;
with feeling as condition, craving comes to be;
with craving as condition, grasping comes to be;
with grasping as condition, being comes to be;
with being as condition, birth comes to be;
with birth as condition, aging-and-death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, and despair come to be.
This is the origin of this whole mass of suffering.
All around us, feel dependent origination in action, its impact on our lives. Be not helpless.Que sera sera! whatever will be, will be! don't let it be like that.
Don't join the blind majority. Yama is a metaphor, for the activities of consciousness"Few in the world see, most are blind"
At 20.00 Attention is drawn to the stark reality of samsara, if only you could regress and see the many past lives; amount of times you were born; horror of horrors!joining with the unloved, severed from the loved, we wonder hindered by avijja, fettered by craving, craving drags one by the nose
parents dying, spouses weeping, tears filling the ocean, SN15.3 https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.htmlJust as, bhikkhus, a stick thrown up towards the sky falls down, sometimes on the bottom, sometimes on the top, just so, bhikkhus....
"what is the greater?: water in the four oceans or the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing
there is a movement heading to ocean, a metaphor for nibbana. it is the result of kamma that you are born! A sutta writes"as puddles fill, streams flow, and rivers overflow"
but you know that it is your responsibility what you do with it, not another's. The Paradox. Sutta on the Wise Man and the Fool SN 12.19 writes"this body is not yours, neither is it another's"
Buddha insists"For the fool hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving, this body has thereby originated"
find the escape hatch."Stop speculating of Kamma"
all sankharas, all formations mental or physical, are subject to decay, repeated contemplation of DO, has an advantage, one gradually loses the hold on the world as avijja vanishes and vijja springs. This does not mean you love your family less, but your kindness and compassion increases, seeing their plight too.a revulsion develops towards all things, Samadhi is a maker of dispassion.
At 31 he presents an interesting idea on abortion, and repuercusions on killing, the stigma of abortion. Don't be quick to judge, have a compassionate approach. Buddha never commented on these things, others did. When does gandhaba enter the womb? it could be second month? third month??? who is to say? When do the sense bases form and fetus make contact, have feeling, Pulsar is stretching it.Kamma undergoes a shift in meaning signaled by the term Dependent Origination. Kamma here no longer means simply present action determining one's social status, but action in the special sense of a force binding beings to the round of existence
contact, feeling, origination of lust; our limited minds, are confined by sensuality;Things seen, heard, touched provoke lust.
parents die, children fight over properties left behind, siblings remain enemies for the rest of life. Such is the power of greed.From greed arises conflict, that makes a path to violence;
, a mass of suffering! check out the bridge to end all suffering, the tenfold path, is the guarantor to the end of suffering;.dependent origination is shocking, how it gives rise to life after life
With loveTherefore, bhikkhus, you should yoke yourselves to understanding of how things arise, how conditions arise based on pre-existing conditions ...you should yoke yourselves to the path leading to the cessation of suffering.
Finely tuned breath meditation buffers the contact with sensory world.Visuddhimagga is not the content of a book (i recall Ajahn Brahmali saying, i was amused) it is this cleansing via jhana, removal of impurities via awakening factors.
to which Buddha respondsArittha claims "Having abandoned sensual desire for past sensual pleasures, lord, having done away with sensual desire for future sensual pleasures, and having thoroughly subdued perceptions of irritation with regard to internal & external events, I breathe in mindfully and breathe out mindfully."
Notice how Buddha carefully orchestrates his answer, like a parent guiding a son"There is that mindfulness of in-&-out breathing, Arittha. I don't say that there isn't. But as to how mindfulness of in-&-out breathing is brought in detail to its culmination, listen and pay close attention. I will speak."
In other words not putting off the son, but engaging him further."What you are doing is right, Arittha, i don't say it is wrong, now i will show you how to refine breath further, to lead you towards the goal"
'He trains himself, 'I will breathe in sensitive to rapture.' He trains himself, 'I will breathe out sensitive to rapture.'
He trains himself, 'I will breathe in sensitive to pleasure.' He trains himself, 'I will breathe out sensitive to pleasure.'
He trains himself, 'I will breathe in sensitive to papanca...(ie inner sinful tendencies)' He trains himself, 'I will breathe out sensitive to papanca.'
Notice how this teaching is also a hybrid of Samma sati and Samma samadhi.He trains himself, 'I will breathe in calming papanca.' He trains himself, 'I will breathe out calming papanca.'
thus writes the canon.'Those who see Dependent origination, sees the Buddha'