Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

The cultivation of calm or tranquility and the development of concentration
Mudryj
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Re: Is there consciousness in Nirodha Samāpatti?

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Hello Rhinoceroshorn,

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What does it mean in practical terms? One in Nirodha Samapatti ceased feelings and perceptions, but is also conscious of this state, since the 5 senses are "clear"?
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Probably the best description is given in the Vimuttimagga:

https://archive.org/details/ArahantUpat ... 5/mode/2up
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... Then passing beyond two or three turns of consciousness, he causes the perishing of mind and enters into the Unborn and the Unmanifest*. This is called the entry into the attainment of the dissolution of perception and sensation ...

"Is this attainment conditioned or unconditioned?": One should not say that this attainment is conditioned or unconditioned. Q. Why should it not be said that his attainment is conditioned or unconditioned? A. There is no put-together state ** in this attainment. The entry into and exit from the unconditioned state cannot be known ***. Therefore it cannot be said that this attainment is conditioned or unconditioned.

* that is mind is perish and enter nibbana state
** that is there is no condition dhammas
*** but this attainment itself is not the nibbana becose it's temporary nature

Conclusion is: nirodha s. is a preconditioned state in wich "experiencing" uncodition nibbana through perishing of mind ;)
Last edited by Mudryj on Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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