Can i use sexual fantasy daydream for induce tranquality?

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Can i use sexual fantasy daydream for induce tranquality?

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If i think of myself doing lustdul things with imaginary girls or girls who i seen outside before sleep, my mind gets tranqual and i get good sleep or i can stay awake and enter access.. when i think of x in day dream i dont think of any other so its a good object to focus without distraction as i am fully into it...

I daydream in video mode first person not in picture so i ask if thats ok?
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This may be somewhat related:
from Jhana-condition (Jhana-paccaya)
  • The akusala citta and the accompanying cetasikas and also the mind-produced rupa are conditioned by akusala jhana-factors,"strength-givers" or intensifying factors, by way of jhana-condition. ...


    ... jhana-factors are not only operating while one cultivates jhana, they are conditions which function time and again in daily life, no matter whether we perform wholesome or unwholesome deeds.
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Try not to. Maybe try focusing on your breath insead to calm down and fall asleep.
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:32 am enter access..
whatever u do, it is not access.
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:32 am If i think of myself doing lustdul things with imaginary girls or girls who i seen outside before sleep, my mind gets tranqual and i get good sleep or i can stay awake and enter access.. when i think of x in day dream i dont think of any other so its a good object to focus without distraction as i am fully into it...

I daydream in video mode first person not in picture so i ask if thats ok?
That's definately not a good idea and is obviously not a Buddhist practice, its more like the fantasies of a potential sex offender.

Here's Ajahn Brahm talking about how to get a good night's sleep:

https://bswa.org/teaching/brahms-lullab ... ahn-brahm/

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Disciple wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:26 am Try not to. Maybe try focusing on your breath insead to calm down and fall asleep.
breath is not working for me still but I will try
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...
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Instead of doing sexual things, imagine taking off the skin from the body, take out each organ, then taking off the flesh, only the bones remain. Now again add the flesh to the bones, add each organ, then add the skin again.
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:32 am I daydream in video mode first person not in picture so i ask if thats ok?
:D

If you want to achieve citta ekaggata via lobha mula citta, music might be better. Still akusala though.

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Aloka wrote:
That's definately not a good idea and is obviously not a Buddhist practice, its more like the fantasies of a potential sex offender.
:roll:

No, while sexual fantasy is obviously not a Buddhist concentration practice, it should also not be likened to being a potential sex offender. That is one extreme to the next. Sexual fantasies are normal human behavior.

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Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.

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there are many ways to induce tranquility ..

listening to music, healthy eating, relaxation before meditation ...

the problem is to get addicted to it, to be dependent.

instead of helping with tranquility, these fantasies can imprison you more and more in samsara.
“I describe three kinds of deed for performing bad deeds: physical deeds, verbal deeds, and mental deeds.”

“But are these kinds of deed all distinct from each other?”

“Yes, each is quite distinct.”

“Of the three deeds thus analyzed and differentiated, which deed do you describe as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds: physical deeds, verbal deeds, or mental deeds?”

“I describe mental deeds as being the most blameworthy for performing bad deeds, not so much physical deeds or verbal deeds.”

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And what is right thought? It is the thought of renunciation, good will, and harmlessness. This is called right thought.

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Verse 349. Craving Tightens Bonds

For one who’s crushed by thinking much
excessive lust from beauty’s sight,
for that one craving grows the more,
that one makes strong the bonds.

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Explanation: In those whose minds are agitated and assailed by doubts and suspicions, whose passions and sensualities are sharpened, craving
increases more and more. This makes the bonds tighter.

http://www.buddhanet.net/dhammapada/d_crave.htm
Verse 121. Take Not Evil Lightly

Think lightly not of evil,
‘It will not come to me’,
for by the falling of water drops
a water jar is filled.
The fool with evil fills himself,
he soaks up little by little.

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Explanation: Some tend to believe that evil can be taken lightly. There attitude to wrong-doing is that they can get away with anything whatsoever. They say in effect: "I will behave in the way I want. Evil results will never come my way." But evil accumulates little by little - very much like a water-pot being filled drop by drop. Little by little the evil accumulates, until he is filled with it.

http://www.buddhanet.net/dhammapada/d_evil.htm
Third precept

Textual analysis

The third precept condemns sexual misconduct. This has been interpreted in classical texts to include adultery with a married or engaged person, fornication, rape, incest, sex with a minor (or a person "protected by any relative"), and sex with a prostitute.[138] In later texts, details such as intercourse at an inappropriate time or inappropriate place are also counted as breaches of the third precept.[139] Masturbation goes against the spirit of the precept, though in the early texts it is not prohibited for laypeople.[140][141]

The third precept is explained as leading to greed in oneself and harm to others. The transgression is regarded as more severe if the other person is a good person.[140][141] Virtues that go hand-in-hand with the third precept are contentment, especially with one's partner,[25][101] and recognition and respect for faithfulness in a marriage.[13]

In practice

The third precept is interpreted as avoiding harm to another by using sensuality in the wrong way. This means not engaging with inappropriate partners, but also respecting one's personal commitment to a relationship.[62] In some traditions, the precept also condemns adultery with a person whose spouse agrees with the act, since the nature of the act itself is condemned. Furthermore, flirting with a married person may also be regarded as a violation.[80][138] Though prostitution is discouraged in the third precept, it is usually not actively prohibited by Buddhist teachers.[142] With regard to applications of the principles of the third precept, the precept, or any Buddhist principle for that matter, is usually not connected with a stance against contraception.[143][144] In traditional Buddhist societies such as Sri Lanka, pre-marital sex is considered to violate the precept, though this is not always adhered to by people who already intend to marry.[141][145]

In the interpretation of modern teachers, the precept includes any person in a sexual relationship with another person, as they define the precept by terms such as sexual responsibility and long-term commitment.[138] Some modern teachers include masturbation as a violation of the precept,[146] others include certain professions, such as those that involve sexual exploitation, prostitution or pornography, and professions that promote unhealthy sexual behavior, such as in the entertainment industry.[137]

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bodom wrote: Sexual fantasies are normal human behavior
Tell that to the family of the girl who was abducted and murdered on her way home in London last week, by a policeman who she didn't know and who had already exposed his penis twice in a restaurant a few days earlier.

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bodom wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:08 pm
Aloka wrote:
That's definately not a good idea and is obviously not a Buddhist practice, its more like the fantasies of a potential sex offender.
:roll:

No, while sexual fantasy is obviously not a Buddhist concentration practice, it should also not be likened to being a potential sex offender. That is one extreme to the next. Sexual fantasies are normal human behavior.

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https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.034.than.html wrote:"Always, always,
he sleeps in ease:
the brahman totally [extinguished],
who doesn't adhere
to sensual pleasures,
who's without acquisitions
& cooled.
Having cut all ties
& subdued fear in the heart,
calmed,
he sleeps in ease,
having reached peace
of awareness."
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an11/an11.016.piya.html wrote:"Monks, eleven advantages are to be expected from the release (deliverance) of heart by familiarizing oneself with thoughts of loving-kindness (metta), by the cultivation of loving-kindness, by constantly increasing these thoughts, by regarding loving-kindness as a vehicle (of expression), and also as something to be treasured, by living in conformity with these thoughts, by putting these ideas into practice, and by establishing them. What are the eleven?

1. "He sleeps in comfort. 2. He awakes in comfort. 3. He sees no evil dreams. 4. He is dear to human beings. 5. He is dear to non-human beings. 6. Devas (gods) protect him. 7. Fire, poison, and sword cannot touch him. 8. His mind can concentrate quickly. 9. His countenance is serene. 10. He dies without being confused in mind. 11. If he fails to attain arahantship (the highest sanctity) here and now, he will be reborn in the brahma-world.
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confusedlayman wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:32 am If i think of myself doing lustdul things with imaginary girls or girls who i seen outside before sleep, my mind gets tranqual and i get good sleep or i can stay awake and enter access.. when i think of x in day dream i dont think of any other so its a good object to focus without distraction as i am fully into it...
:lol:
That's a great idea. If it's valid then there should be many many persons, buddhist or not, with mind tranquil and entering access.
confusedlayman wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:32 am I daydream in video mode first person not in picture so i ask if thats ok?
I ask you: what's been your mental issue that motivated you to contact buddhism and is that mental issue removed by your "daydream in video mode"?
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Aloka wrote: Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:52 pm
bodom wrote: Sexual fantasies are normal human behavior
Tell that to the family of the girl who was abducted and murdered on her way home in London last week, by a policeman who she didn't know and who had already exposed his penis twice in a restaurant a few days earlier.
Fantasies are just fantasies unless acted upon.

A story about Ajahn Brahm:
The Forest Tradition of Buddhism in Thailand involves, not surprisingly, spending a lot of time alone in the forest, supposedly meditating. The philosophy and practice is one of returning to the very earliest teachings of the Buddha. But one year, during Brahm’s sixth yearly retreat, he found that he could not focus his mind at all: thoughts of sex and violence assaulted him. (Yes, monks are susceptible to these thoughts just like us.) In desperation he made a deal with his unruly mind: “If you just let me concentrate, then once a day at 3pm for one hour, I will let you think about anything you want.” The deal was a disaster: his mind continued to wander, but holding up his end of the bargain, at 3pm he allowed his mind to go wherever it wanted to go. It was during that hour that Brahm’s mind was completely still and at ease. He discovered that the act of trying to let go of thoughts was counterproductive. One cannot try to let go; one needs only let go.
https://yinyoga.com/the-art-of-letting-go/

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Liberation is the inevitable fruit of the path and is bound to blossom forth when there is steady and persistent practice. The only requirements for reaching the final goal are two: to start and to continue. If these requirements are met there is no doubt the goal will be attained. This is the Dhamma, the undeviating law.

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