Anapanasati and Jhana

[confusedlayman]

I'd love to see these suttas.

See buddhas own jhana enlightenment experience... he use the word after emerging from jhana ... also see 4th jhana has only perception of equanimity

No he doesn't and the equanimity is used for further insights.

u cant do insight in 4th jhana as will is lost in 2nd jhana and thinking lost when someone 2nd jhana happens...

[Satima00]

It seems Sariputta is doing so in MN 111.

Yes, but since by definition you can't contemplate the disappearance of the jhana factors while still being in it it probably refers to having just emerged .

Yes, I’m not what definition you’re referencing. Perhaps if you have a chance you can say a bit more about it.

I'm referring to the simple fact that jhana is defined by the presence of vitakka, vicara etc. so if you see that "having been they disappear" you are no longer in jhana "by definition". No mystery there.

[SDC]

Yes, but since by definition you can't contemplate the disappearance of the jhana factors while still being in it it probably refers to having just emerged .

Yes, I’m not what definition you’re referencing. Perhaps if you have a chance you can say a bit more about it.

I'm referring to the simple fact that jhana is defined by the presence of vitakka, vicara etc. so if you see that "having been they disappear" you are no longer in jhana "by definition". No mystery there.

The fact that vitakka-vicara has ceased has no bearing on the presence of mano (mind), dhammā (thoughts) and dhammasaññā (perception of thoughts). What about the “state of concentration” described in AN 10.7?

On one occasion, friend Ānanda, I was dwelling right here in Sāvatthī in the Blind Men’s Grove. There I attained such a state of concentration that I was not percipient of earth in relation to earth; of water in relation to water; of fire in relation to fire; of air in relation to air; of the base of the infinity of space in relation to the base of the infinity of space; of the base of the infinity of consciousness in relation to the base of the infinity of consciousness; of the base of nothingness in relation to the base of nothingness; of the base of neither-perception-nor-non-perception in relation to the base of neither-perception-nor-non-perception; of this world in relation to this world; of the other world in relation to the other world, but I was still percipient.”

The real key to understanding this description is MN 121, but not really necessary to make the point.

[Thao Lah]

Hi !
My question is whether and how the tetrads of the Anapanasati Sutta relate to the standard account of the progression in the jhanas.
Thank you.

All Buddhist meditation methods use sati as a yellow brick road, and all the methods can lead to the jhanas. Just as if one does away with wrong view, one would be able to cut directly into right view.

This is stress... This is the origination of stress... This is the cessation of stress... This is the way leading to the cessation of stress. As he attends appropriately in this way, three fetters are abandoned in him: identity-view, doubt, and grasping at precepts & practices."
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dha ... index.html

[BrokenBones]

See buddhas own jhana enlightenment experience... he use the word after emerging from jhana ... also see 4th jhana has only perception of equanimity

No he doesn't and the equanimity is used for further insights.

u cant do insight in 4th jhana as will is lost in 2nd jhana and thinking lost when someone 2nd jhana happens...

Namaste

Please see SDC's excellent answer... beyond cessation of perception & feelings there's no room for a shutdown in Buddha's teachings... unless you're saying perception & feeling are not present in fourth jhana.

Re the OP... awareness of breathing continues throughout the sutta.

[confusedlayman]

No he doesn't and the equanimity is used for further insights.

u cant do insight in 4th jhana as will is lost in 2nd jhana and thinking lost when someone 2nd jhana happens...

Namaste

Please see SDC's excellent answer... beyond cessation of perception & feelings there's no room for a shutdown in Buddha's teachings... unless you're saying perception & feeling are not present in fourth jhana.

Re the OP... awareness of breathing continues throughout the sutta.

I dont need to go by reports ... or just given in book

[BrokenBones]

u cant do insight in 4th jhana as will is lost in 2nd jhana and thinking lost when someone 2nd jhana happens...

Namaste

Please see SDC's excellent answer... beyond cessation of perception & feelings there's no room for a shutdown in Buddha's teachings... unless you're saying perception & feeling are not present in fourth jhana.

Re the OP... awareness of breathing continues throughout the sutta.

I dont need to go by reports ... or just given in book

That's right... you're more than welcome to either make it up as you go along or listen to teachings of commentaries written about commentaries written about...

Have you read the anapanasati sutta or is that off your reading list?

[confusedlayman]

Namaste

Please see SDC's excellent answer... beyond cessation of perception & feelings there's no room for a shutdown in Buddha's teachings... unless you're saying perception & feeling are not present in fourth jhana.

Re the OP... awareness of breathing continues throughout the sutta.

I dont need to go by reports ... or just given in book

That's right... you're more than welcome to either make it up as you go along or listen to teachings of commentaries written about commentaries written about...

Have you read the anapanasati sutta or is that off your reading list?

It not in my list for most of time...