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Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:28 am
by Viachh
Is it possible to see khandhas as a result of advancing in the practice of vipassana or khandhas are just one of the varieties of dhamma sorting?
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:02 am
by mikenz66
Hi Viachh,
I'm not sure I understand your question. Khandhas are a way of classifying experience, so I'm not sure how we wouldn't "see" (be aware of) them. Of course, there is more awareness of the details with practice.
Mike
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:08 am
by DooDoot
Viachh wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:28 am
Is it possible to see khandhas as a result of advancing in the practice of vipassana
Yes. That is the purpose of satipatthana.
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:38 am
by Viachh
DooDoot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:08 am
Viachh wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:28 am
Is it possible to see khandhas as a result of advancing in the practice of vipassana
Yes. That is the purpose of satipatthana.
I think the purpose of the satiratthana is to see the emergence and disappearance of dhammas.
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:08 am
by DooDoot
Viachh wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:38 am
I think the purpose of the satiratthana is to see the emergence and disappearance of dhammas.
What you think is wrong.
Here, a bhikkhu lives a seer (
anupassī) of body with reference to the body... a seer of feelings with reference to feelings ... a seerer of mind with reference to the mind .... a seer of dhammas with reference to dhammas......
Satipatthana
Body, feeling & mind = khandhas
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:51 am
by SarathW
Viachh wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:38 am
DooDoot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:08 am
Viachh wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:28 am
Is it possible to see khandhas as a result of advancing in the practice of vipassana
Yes. That is the purpose of satipatthana.
I think the purpose of the satiratthana is to see the emergence and disappearance of dhammas.
Agree.
Dhamma includes Khandhas.
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"Furthermore, the monk remains focused on mental qualities in & of themselves with reference to the five clinging-aggregates. And how does he remain focused on mental qualities in & of themselves with reference to the five clinging-aggregates? There is the case where a monk [discerns]: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance. Such is feeling... Such is perception... Such are fabrications... Such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:16 am
by Viachh
DooDoot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:08 am
Viachh wrote: ↑Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:38 am
I think the purpose of the satiratthana is to see the emergence and disappearance of dhammas.
What you think is wrong.
Here, a bhikkhu lives a seer (
anupassī) of body with reference to the body... a seer of feelings with reference to feelings ... a seerer of mind with reference to the mind .... a seer of dhammas with reference to dhammas......
Satipatthana
Body, feeling & mind = khandhas
There is no such khandhas "body" and "mind"
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:22 am
by DooDoot
Viachh wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:16 am
There is no such khandhas "body" and "mind"
Sounds very confused...
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 11:41 am
by confusedlayman
DooDoot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:22 am
Viachh wrote: ↑Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:16 am
There is no such khandhas "body" and "mind"
Sounds very confused...
Body kandha u can see
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:50 pm
by DooDoot
no.... every khandha can be seen with the Dhamma Eye
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:54 pm
by confusedlayman
DooDoot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:50 pm
no.... every khandha can be seen with the Dhamma Eye
Im talking of physical eye as seeing
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:57 pm
by DooDoot
confusedlayman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:54 pm
Im talking of physical eye as seeing
u are talking nonsense because Mahayana nonsense is not Theravada. the internal 'kaya' is seen with Dhamma Eye, i.e., touched by body consciousness & mind consciousness. for example, anapanasati breathing, which is included in rupa khandha, is not seen with the physical eye
Re: Is it possible to see khandhas?
Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:13 pm
by sentinel
The dhamma eye sees the dependent arising (ceasing) ie arising and falling of the aggregates .