Awareness vs Mindfulness?

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Awareness vs Mindfulness?

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Awareness vs Mindfulness?
What is the Pali word for awareness and mindfulness?
Is this monk's analysis of this topic as per Buddha's teaching?

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SarathW wrote:Is this monk's analysis of this topic as per Buddha's teaching?
it does not appears so. it appears, per Buddha's teaching:

1. mindfulness does not mean knowing the present moment

2. mindfulness does not mean being aware of the awareness

3. mindfulness does not mean to remember what you were aware of; such as remembering where you put your shoes

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I can't understand the confusion.
The Buddha defined sati...

"And what is the faculty of mindfulness? There is the case where a monk, a disciple of the noble ones, is mindful, highly meticulous, remembering & able to call to mind even things that were done & said long ago."

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

If that definition doesn't tally with commentarial meditation practices then that's too bad.

Remembering (sati) & contemplating (yoniso manasikara) the Dhamma (sutta) with awareness (Sampajanna).
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BrokenBones wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:20 am Remembering (sati) & contemplating (yoniso manasikara) the Dhamma (sutta) with awareness (Sampajanna).
AN 10.61 appears to say yoniso manasikara is the nutriment of sati-sampajanna. Could explain how your idea is the same, similar or different to AN 10.61? Thanks :thanks:
Mindfulness and clear comprehension, too, I say, have a nutriment; they are not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for mindfulness and clear comprehension? It should be said: (7) careful attention. Careful attention, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for careful attention? It should be said: (8) faith. Faith, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for faith? It should be said: (9) hearing the good Dhamma. Hearing the good Dhamma, too, I say, has a nutriment; it is not without nutriment. And what is the nutriment for hearing the good Dhamma? It should be said: (10) associating with good :mrgreen: persons.

https://legacy.suttacentral.net/en/an10.61
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What is the Pali word for awareness and mindfulness?
Sampajanna and sati. Smapajanna is translated as "clear comprehension" or"situational awarness" . It provides a contects to sati. Sampajanna and sati can work in tandem as "sati sampajanna".

Ajahn Sumedho wrote a nice, yet not so erthodox essay about sati sampajanna:

https://trustinginbuddha.co.uk/intuitiv ... n-sumedho/

And "History of mindfulness" by Sujato is a good read, too:

http://lirs.ru/do/history-of-mindfulness.ocr.pdf

I will just add my five cents, that the English word "mindfulness", which made such a global carier recently, is rather unfortunate and confusing. The creator of the word - Rhys Davies I believe - referred to his Christian backgrounds, when he was choosing this particular term. It sugests that the sati has something to do with mind reaching it's full potential, as opposed to our normal, disturbed and not so full mind. It's like Westerners had created somethind new and based on their own culture, instead of simply translating. Buddha's humble sati was lost in this glorious translation, you could say. :spy:

Therefore, in many of those those modern, secular mindfulness methods, they teach you to "open up", experience the reality to the full. Go with the flow, enjoy stuff, including sensual pleasures. More like getting high in the Samsara, than original, Buddha's sati, which is about remembering. The pali word sati implicates no fulness of any sort, rather the opposite. You focus on a single, selected thing, while letting go of the rest.

But can you imagine all those Kabat Zinns, shrinks and gurus, selling books, programs and expensive apps, about simple "remembering"? Nobody would buy them :smile: .

And thinking that ultimately the Damma is about realizing sunnjata - the emptiness - about cessation...this celebrated mind-fullness realy looks awkward :) :tongue:. I prefer "mind-emptiness" myself.
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Can't resist. :tongue:
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Only when one is aware that one's mind is filling up can one empty the mind (letting go).
"Mindfulness" is just simply to remind ourselves to be aware.
The human mind tends to fill up with rubbish and we need to keep reminding ourselves to be aware.
Mindfulness is the path to the deathless; Heedlessness is the path to death; The mindful do not die; But the heedless are as if dead already.
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