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YouTube is my Dhamma teacher!

A very famous young monk disclosed that he first learned Dhamma by listening to the famous Buddhist monks on YouTube.
However, now he emphasizes that your true teacher is Dhamma and the Buddha and others as Kalyanamitta.
It is interesting to see how much effect Social media has nowadays.
Even in my case, I learned most of my Dhamma via social media and especially via Dhamma Wheel.

I have first mentioned this monk in another post.
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SarathW wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:48 am ... (sixteen years old now). ...


Is he a Samanera, or a Bhikkhu?
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    V. Buddhādasa
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Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:25 am
SarathW wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:48 am ... (sixteen years old now). ...


Is he a Samanera, or a Bhikkhu?
Samanera.
He became a monk about three months back.
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Which sect he belong to?

Did he completed the Pariyatti of Pali Tipitaka along with Atthakatha?

Which path he chose? To be a meditative monk or scholar monk?

Did he go through meditation training ?

Did he learn the Saka Nirutti or Pali ?

Personally I think it is kinda dangerous, if, when a person learn little about the Dhamma, or interpret the Dhamma using one's own limited intelligence, or speak by using mere personal experience without referring to scriptures.

Ven. Assaji Thera, even when he attained Arahantship, reluctant to give Dhamma verses when requested by Upatissa the wanderer, saying he is just newly ordained.
Hiriottappasampannā,
sukkadhammasamāhitā;
Santo sappurisā loke,
devadhammāti vuccare.

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Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:25 am Did he learn the Saka Nirutti or Pali ?
What is Saka Nirutti?
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shuka wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:44 am
Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:25 am Did he learn the Saka Nirutti or Pali ?
What is Saka Nirutti?
Depends on how you define it. "Saka nirutti" in English is "own language".

Bhandatacariya Buddhaghosa Thera interpreted it as "Pali" language and said that only "Pali language" should be used as authority when teaching Suttas, as stated in Vinaya, it was forbidden by the Buddha to translate suttas into other languages such as Sanskrit.

But modern monks interpreted "own language" as our daily spoken language.

I generally supported the interpretation by Bhandatacariya Buddhaghosa Thera, but I think the other interpretation is quite valid, as long as we stick to Pali.
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Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:25 am Which sect he belong to?

Did he completed the Pariyatti of Pali Tipitaka along with Atthakatha?
Do not know. But he gives Dhamma sermons reading Tipitak in Pali.

Which path he chose? To be a meditative monk or scholar monk?
Not sure. I never heard this division before. Please explain.

Did he go through meditation training?
Do not know.

Did he learn the Saka Nirutti or Pali ?
He uses NIrutti based on Wharaka Abhyaratnalankara

Personally I think it is kinda dangerous, if, when a person learn little about the Dhamma, or interpret the Dhamma using one's own limited intelligence, or speak by using mere personal experience without referring to scriptures.

I could not any drawback in his teaching so far.

Ven. Assaji Thera, even when he attained Arahantship, reluctant to give Dhamma verses when requested by Upatissa the wanderer, saying he is just newly ordained.
Perhaps at that time, there wasn't a body of teaching a new monk can teach to someone else. Nowadays Tipitaka is an open-source document and anyone can teach what is in Tipitaka. The only diffrence is some can teach in both ways by susing his experience to the Tipitaka teaching.
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SarathW wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:14 am
Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:25 am Which sect he belong to?

Did he completed the Pariyatti of Pali Tipitaka along with Atthakatha?
Do not know. But he gives Dhamma sermons reading Tipitak in Pali.

Which path he chose? To be a meditative monk or scholar monk?
Not sure. I never heard this division before. Please explain.

Did he go through meditation training?
Do not know.

Did he learn the Saka Nirutti or Pali ?
He uses NIrutti based on Wharaka Abhyaratnalankara

Personally I think it is kinda dangerous, if, when a person learn little about the Dhamma, or interpret the Dhamma using one's own limited intelligence, or speak by using mere personal experience without referring to scriptures.

I could not any drawback in his teaching so far.

Ven. Assaji Thera, even when he attained Arahantship, reluctant to give Dhamma verses when requested by Upatissa the wanderer, saying he is just newly ordained.
Perhaps at that time, there wasn't a body of teaching a new monk can teach to someone else. Nowadays Tipitaka is an open-source document and anyone can teach what is in Tipitaka. The only diffrence is some can teach in both ways by susing his experience to the Tipitaka teaching.
Well, giving sermons using Pali texts are easy, given that everyone got access to it. But that's doesn't mean the teachings align with the intended meaning of Suttas. But I don't know Sinhala, so I better don't say anything.

The division (or better, specialisation, just like a person studied science but then specialised in gynaecology, neurology, etc.) goes long back way during Buddha's era. I remember in one sutta, Buddha mentioned that the groups of Dhamma-learning monks were in quarrel with meditative monk groups. The Dhamma-learning monks were keen to give Dhamma talks, debate, organising sermons for people, etc. While meditative monks were keen to retreats, staying in deep jungles for meditation, away from public.

There was a story in Dhammapada mentioned that there was a monk, highly learned, mastered expositions well, giver of sermon. Another monk was elderly, poor learned, yet diligent towards a meditative subject given and devoted to meditation (and later attained Arahantship). The learned monk, wished to despise the other monk for poor learning and planning to do so. Having read the learned monk's mind with His own mind, the Buddha cross-questioning the learned monk on various Dhamma topics. The learned monk can answer them correctly and easily. But when Buddha asked the learned monk on topics related to meditation and experiential attainment, the learned monk couldn't answer. Then Buddha turn to the other monk, cross-questioning the meditative monk on various Dhamma and meditative attainment. The meditative monk answered them all correctly and wisely. In the end, Buddha clapped his hand for the meditative monk and at the same time, the Devas and Brahmas also clapped for him, honouring the meditative monk.
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Santo sappurisā loke,
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Buddha clapped his hand
:clap: :rofl:
Never heard of Buddha clapping his hands!
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SarathW wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:04 am
Buddha clapped his hand
:clap: :rofl:
Never heard of Buddha clapping his hands!
The story was in Dhammapada-atthakatha. If I found it, I post it.

*Found it. This is the original story, here is "praised", I believe maybe it was mistranslation of my Dhammapada book, which I read long time ago.

https://www.tipitaka.net/tipitaka/dhp/v ... ?verse=019
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Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:28 pm
SarathW wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:04 am
Buddha clapped his hand
:clap: :rofl:
Never heard of Buddha clapping his hands!
The story was in Dhammapada-atthakatha. If I found it, I post it.

*Found it. This is the original story, here is "praised", I believe maybe it was mistranslation of my Dhammapada book, which I read long time ago.

https://www.tipitaka.net/tipitaka/dhp/v ... ?verse=019
Thanks.
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Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:04 am
shuka wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:44 am
Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:25 am Did he learn the Saka Nirutti or Pali ?
What is Saka Nirutti?
Depends on how you define it. "Saka nirutti" in English is "own language".

Bhandatacariya Buddhaghosa Thera interpreted it as "Pali" language and said that only "Pali language" should be used as authority when teaching Suttas, as stated in Vinaya, it was forbidden by the Buddha to translate suttas into other languages such as Sanskrit.

But modern monks interpreted "own language" as our daily spoken language.

I generally supported the interpretation by Bhandatacariya Buddhaghosa Thera, but I think the other interpretation is quite valid, as long as we stick to Pali.
The whole point of that sutta was not to restrict the Dhamma to an official religious language that would be inaccessible to most. The message I get is that the Dhamma can be translated into any language and rephrased to suite the needs of the audience, as long as the meaning isn’t lost. Sadly the commentaries take a mystical and outright Brahmin stance on language, namely Pali. For example they declare that Pali is the original language, and that if a child isn’t taught how to speak they will know Pali instinctively. This is exactly the same as the Brahmin view of Sanskrit being the original mother tongue from which all other languages are degenerated forms of.
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The message I get is that the Dhamma can be translated into any language and rephrased to suite the needs of the audience, as long as the meaning isn’t lost.
That is how I understand it too.
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Ceisiwr wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:11 pm
Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:04 am
shuka wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:44 am
What is Saka Nirutti?
Depends on how you define it. "Saka nirutti" in English is "own language".

Bhandatacariya Buddhaghosa Thera interpreted it as "Pali" language and said that only "Pali language" should be used as authority when teaching Suttas, as stated in Vinaya, it was forbidden by the Buddha to translate suttas into other languages such as Sanskrit.

But modern monks interpreted "own language" as our daily spoken language.

I generally supported the interpretation by Bhandatacariya Buddhaghosa Thera, but I think the other interpretation is quite valid, as long as we stick to Pali.
The whole point of that sutta was not to restrict the Dhamma to an official religious language that would be inaccessible to most. The message I get is that the Dhamma can be translated into any language and rephrased to suite the needs of the audience, as long as the meaning isn’t lost. Sadly the commentaries take a mystical and outright Brahmin stance on language, namely Pali. For example they declare that Pali is the original language, and that if a child isn’t taught how to speak they will know Pali instinctively. This is exactly the same as the Brahmin view of Sanskrit being the original mother tongue from which all other languages are degenerated forms of.
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Serta kembangkan 5 potensi (4 iddhipādā + 1 ussoḷhi).
Bhikkhu yang telah menaklukkan 5 kungkungan (belenggu tinggi),
Lebih layak disebut 'orang yang telah mengarungi air baih (saṃsārå)'."
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Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:04 am
shuka wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:44 am
Ontheway wrote: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:25 am Did he learn the Saka Nirutti or Pali ?
What is Saka Nirutti?
Depends on how you define it. "Saka nirutti" in English is "own language".

Bhandatacariya Buddhaghosa Thera interpreted it as "Pali" language and said that only "Pali language" should be used as authority when teaching Suttas, as stated in Vinaya, it was forbidden by the Buddha to translate suttas into other languages such as Sanskrit.

But modern monks interpreted "own language" as our daily spoken language.

I generally supported the interpretation by Bhandatacariya Buddhaghosa Thera, but I think the other interpretation is quite valid, as long as we stick to Pali.
Thanks Ontheway.
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