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Does anyone here see any merit in the arguments presented in this video about Cultural Marxism.

If one were to ignore the references to Christianity, church, patriarchy, gender bias and Pat Buchanan popping up from time to time .. and just absorb the message without the right wing spin .. is it correct that Cultural Marxism is destroying the USA (I am not sure USA is being destroyed but the director thinks so)?

You do not need to watch all of it .. the first 20 minutes gives a good idea (and next 10 minutes provides a surprising factoid .. that 25,000 new laws are enacted every year in USA).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

Have any of you heard of Cultural Marxism before?

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I think its fairly evident that greed, anger and delusion are ruining things.
I think the war on family unit is very real and so is war on god, there are so many groups in society who cant wait to get rid of christian values in favor of some relativistic morals dictated to the dull and stupid masses by the authority. I think its normal and natural for the human realm, it shouldnt matter for us Buddhists.
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Never heard the term "Cultural Marxism" so I went surfing and came up with this http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism.

Now I'm glad I didn't spend over an hour on the video.

Most of the people I know here in the US just want to live their lives without interference from someone else trying to impose their values.

Simplistic example: If people want to have a family, fine! If they don't want to, fine! But when those who think for whatever reason, that family should be a cherished value try to manage the lives of those who don't, problems arise.
If you want to believe in God, great! Go to church on Sunday, tithe, whatever. But don't tell me I have to believe and live by your god's laws.

For most of US history, so-called Christian values - which are Calvinist, really, - have been held up as the standard by which all should live. As more people have come from all over the world, we see different values appearing; in some cases, it's merely different expressions of the same values. But change is difficult, and those in power loathe it, and are particularly reluctant to let others come to the table. There is some fairy-tale US cultural myth that many want to enforce, that of the white, preferably male, Anglo-Saxon protestants. They've run the show here since the beginning, and now it's time for change, and there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. When that myth crumbles, as change inexorably occurs, some people become very fearful and angry. If they want to call that "cultural marxism," fine, maybe it will bring them some comfort.

America isn't being destroyed, the myth is falling apart.
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If you're interested in this topic you should look up professor Jordan Peterson. He's an outspoken critic of Marxism. He has a lengthy interview on the Joe Rogan podcast, along with lecture series'.
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No_Mind wrote:Does anyone here see any merit in the arguments presented in this video about Cultural Marxism.
I apologise in advance, that I'm not going to watch it.

I have however heard of Cultural Marxism, and I've come to the conclusion that it's far more balanced, less emotive, less likely to be accused of being a conspiracy, and fairer to Karl Marx to refer to it as "cultural collectivism".

From the Wikipedia entry linked...
There are two main objections to collectivism from the ideas of individualism. One is that collectivism stifles individuality and diversity by insisting upon a common social identity, such as nationalism or some other group focus. The other is that collectivism is linked to statism and the diminution of freedom when political authority is used to advance collectivist goals.

Criticism of collectivism comes from liberal individualists, such as classical liberals, libertarians, Objectivists, and individualist anarchists. A notable modern criticism of economic collectivism is the one put forward by Friedrich Hayek in his book The Road to Serfdom, published in 1944.

Ludwig von Mises wrote:

"On the other hand the application of the basic ideas of collectivism cannot result in anything but social disintegration and the perpetuation of armed conflict. It is true that every variety of collectivism promises eternal peace starting with the day of its own decisive victory and the final overthrow and extermination of all other ideologies and their supporters. ... As soon as a faction has succeeded in winning the support of the majority of citizens and thereby attained control of the government machine, it is free to deny to the minority all those democratic rights by means of which it itself has previously carried on its own struggle for supremacy."

George Orwell, a dedicated democratic socialist, believed that collectivism resulted in the empowerment of a minority of individuals that led to further oppression of the majority of the population in the name of some ideal such as freedom.

"It cannot be said too often – at any rate, it is not being said nearly often enough – that collectivism is not inherently democratic, but, on the contrary, gives to a tyrannical minority such powers as the Spanish Inquisitors never dreamt of."
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No_Mind wrote: Have any of you heard of Cultural Marxism before?
Sure, it's often mentioned in political discussions about the general direction of Western democracies; more usually by those on the right of the political spectrum. I first learned about the different theories and in particular about the Frankfurt School and Gramsci when I was studying political theory in the UK in the 1970s, but it is only in the last ten years or so that the term "Cultural Marxism" has become commonplace as a type of shorthand for these changes.

The video is a rather crude summary and - like a lot of politically motivated discourse - places what I think is too much emphasis on the "conspiracy" angle. It would also help if the narrator could pronounce "Gramsci" correctly, or even consistently; and he mistakenly attributes the phrase "Long march through the institutions" to Gramsci, whereas it was coined by Rudi Dutschke in the 1960s.

A no less biased but briefer and more nuanced account can be found here:
https://mises.org/blog/cultural-marxism ... -7-minutes
(I'm not sure whether it was written by the conservative philosopher Roger Scruton; it sounds a bit like him...)
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The term "cultural marxism" (and the term "socialism") replaced the "communist threat" fear meme that radical rightists / capitalists / religionists used for decades to scare people into submission / conformity. It's a tool used by many rightist religious white straight males to identify and discredit "enemies" they believe are diminishing their power and taking away their "birthright" freedom to impose their views on everyone else or to do whatever they want to whoever they want - (as in the video, education was condemned because it reveals inconvenient truths such as the mass murder and subjugation of Native Americans, the destruction of the ecosystem, gender inequality, etc...).

The term, and the mythologies / historical distortions those who use it have layered onto it, are useful tools to discredit any critical examination of rightism, capitalism, and religion. It is used as a smokescreen to deflect attention away from the horrific damage that capitalism / consumerism, the rightist socio-political agenda, and religious dogma has inflicted on society, the ecosystem, and all living beings.
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I have no clear understanding of Western philosophy (besides having read Russell's A History of Western Philosophy and Ayn Rand's books) and thus know nothing about moral relativism and similar concepts

My only question after watching the video -- is freedom absolute in the West and should it be absolute?

I will provide two examples .. Clarissa Ward of CNN recently interviewed a white Belgian national and convert to Islam who was a proud supporter of ISIS and supported ISIS attacks in Europe but saw no conflict in collecting his universal wage pay check from Belgian government.

and second from US .. quite a few tutorials on YouTube about different types of make ups to be worn to school by girls in Grade 8.

Should this kind of freedom be allowed? I am not arguing but asking. I promise no argument from me, just curiosity

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Greetings No_Mind,
No_Mind wrote:My only question after watching the video -- is freedom absolute in the West and should it be absolute?
Formally, no, because freedom extends only as far as the law permits. To that end, you'd be better off asking the question in relation to "liberty", rather than of "freedom".

Governments often trade away people's liberties in the name of other objectives. Consider in this context the highly controversial U.S. Patriot Act. Some see such endeavours as being in the interests of the population, whereas others will disagree.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
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No_Mind wrote:I have no clear understanding of Western philosophy (besides having read Russell's A History of Western Philosophy and Ayn Rand's books) and thus know nothing about moral relativism and similar concepts

My only question after watching the video -- is freedom absolute in the West and should it be absolute?

I will provide two examples .. Clarissa Ward of CNN recently interviewed a white Belgian national and convert to Islam who was a proud supporter of ISIS and supported ISIS attacks in Europe but saw no conflict in collecting his universal wage pay check from Belgian government.

and second from US .. quite a few tutorials on YouTube about different types of make ups to be worn to school by girls in Grade 8.

Should this kind of freedom be allowed? I am not arguing but asking. I promise no argument from me, just curiosity

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This might give you a better idea of the myth of "freedom" in the West:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s&t=2396s
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pink_trike wrote:
No_Mind wrote:I have no clear understanding of Western philosophy (besides having read Russell's A History of Western Philosophy and Ayn Rand's books) and thus know nothing about moral relativism and similar concepts

My only question after watching the video -- is freedom absolute in the West and should it be absolute?

I will provide two examples .. Clarissa Ward of CNN recently interviewed a white Belgian national and convert to Islam who was a proud supporter of ISIS and supported ISIS attacks in Europe but saw no conflict in collecting his universal wage pay check from Belgian government.

and second from US .. quite a few tutorials on YouTube about different types of make ups to be worn to school by girls in Grade 8.

Should this kind of freedom be allowed? I am not arguing but asking. I promise no argument from me, just curiosity

:namaste:
This might give you a better understanding of the myth of "freedom" in the West:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s&t=2396s
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retrofuturist wrote:Greetings No_Mind,
No_Mind wrote:My only question after watching the video -- is freedom absolute in the West and should it be absolute?
Formally, no, because freedom extends only as far as the law permits. To that end, you'd be better off asking the question in relation to "liberty", rather than of "freedom".

Governments often trade away people's liberties in the name of other objectives. Consider in this context the highly controversial U.S. Patriot Act. Some see such endeavours as being in the interests of the population, whereas others will disagree.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Put my wrong choice of words down to "English as a second language" effect.

Should one have the freedom to congratulate and praise the perpetrators when their countrymen are killed by terrorists?

That is deleterious, harmful freedom. Should it not be curbed? I did not know Europe was so free.

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No_Mind wrote:.and second from US .. quite a few tutorials on YouTube about different types of make ups to be worn to school by girls in Grade 8.
Should this kind of freedom be allowed?
Should? No. Is it allowed? Yes. Totally depends on the parents.

Americans have no qualms about indulging every ridiculous idea they can think up - like beauty pageants for 4 year olds, in which mentally unbalanced mothers project madly onto their daughters and set them up as sex objects early. All perfectly legal. Eighth grade make-up is pretty much a given, at least in some schools.

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Greetings No_Mind,
No_Mind wrote:Put my wrong choice of words down to "English as a second language" effect.
Not a problem at all... a lot of people whose first language is English would be unaware of the distinction.
No_Mind wrote:Should one have the freedom to congratulate and praise the perpetrators when their countrymen are killed by terrorists?
That's a value judgement, and the way people interpret such a scenario will dependent where they sit on the authoritarian-libertarian axis.

If such a thing is to be prohibited, how would such a prohibition be worded, how would it be enforced, and who would do the enforcing? Personally, I'm skeptical of such restrictions because of how they can be abused politically by the party of the day to further their own agendas and assume additional authority.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
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Justsit wrote:
No_Mind wrote:.and second from US .. quite a few tutorials on YouTube about different types of make ups to be worn to school by girls in Grade 8.
Should this kind of freedom be allowed?
... in which mentally unbalanced mothers project madly onto their daughters and set them up as sex objects early

... Eighth grade make-up is pretty much a given, at least in some schools.

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I think it's important to note that there is an aggressive multibillion dollar fashion / beauty industry behind these "mentally imbalanced" (culturally conditioned?) mothers. An industry that has strategically convinced perhaps the majority of grown women to smear petrochemicals on their face, dye their hair, and change their clothing style / color palette every few months. A good case could be made that this behavior is "mentally imbalanced" especially given that many women fear leaving the house unless facial petrochemicals have been applied ... however, a stronger case can be made that these women have been brainwashed by a torrent of media messages that tells them they aren't enough unless they work hard to match their appearance to the manipulative images fed to them via their media devices.
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