Criticism of Islam

[DooDoot]

While you have supplied no evidence that this is fake, the lighting certainly suggests photoshop.

There are videos of McCain in these war zones, such as Libya & Ukraine. They are obviously not fake. Video on mainstream news of McCain illegal trip to Syria (although the photos could be fake; who knows?).

Does it go against the precepts?

Not unless you can prove its fake. It certainly looks like a real photo of a US politician that has entered illegally into a sovereign nation. The photo is from the video above.

[Mr Man]

Not unless you can prove its fake.

The fakeness is in the text. It is in who the picture says McCain is standing with (I'm sure you know this as you have posted this picture before I believe).

Why do people post fake news here.

Seems like the same as lying to me.

[DooDoot]

The fakeness is in the text.

It was originally claimed the "picture" was fake. Shown this was probably wrong, now it is claimed the text is wrong. You now need to prove the text is wrong; that the following man is not in the photo. Regardless, it is irrelevant. Its official the US had a covert operation in Syria. Why the denial? Why deny the US was supporting Al Qaeda affiliates in Syria & Libya?

Behind the Sudden Death of a $1 Billion Secret C.I.A. War in Syria

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/02/worl ... trump.html

President Trump has decided to end the CIA’s covert program to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels battling the government of Bashar al-Assad, a move long sought by Russia, according to U.S. officials.

The program was a central plank of a policy begun by the Obama administration in 2013 to put pressure on Assad to step aside, but even its backers have questioned its efficacy since Russia deployed forces in Syria two years later.

Officials said the phasing out of the secret program reflects Trump’s interest in finding ways to work with Russia, which saw the anti-Assad program as an assault on its interests. The shuttering of the program is also an acknowledgment of Washington’s limited leverage and desire to remove Assad from power.

Just three months ago, after the United States accused Assad of using chemical weapons, Trump launched retaliatory airstrikes against a Syrian air base. At the time, U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, said that “in no way do we see peace in that area with Assad at the head of the Syrian government.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 6570432832

Al-Baghdadi was arrested by US Forces-Iraq on 2 or 4 February 2004 near Fallujah... He was detained at the Abu Ghraib and Camp Bucca detention centers under his name Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim al-Badry as a "civilian internee". His detainee card gives his profession as administrative work (secretary). The US Department of Defense said al-Baghdadi was imprisoned at Compound 6, which was a medium security Sunni compound. On 8 December 2004,he was released as a "low level prisoner" after recommended for a release by the Combined Review and Release Board.

A number of newspapers and cable news channels have instead stated that al-Baghdadi was interned from 2005 to 2009. These reports originate from an interview with the former commander of Camp Bucca, Colonel Kenneth King, and are not substantiated by Department of Defense records. Al-Baghdadi was imprisoned at Camp Bucca along with other future leaders of ISIL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

[Mr Man]

The fakeness is in the text.

You originally claimed the "picture" was fake. Shown you were probably wrong, now you claim the text is wrong.

The text is part of the picture as presented to this forum.

[DooDoot]

The text is part of the picture as presented to this forum.

The picture is probably not fake. It has been officially admitted McCain was (illegally) in Syria. But it doesn't matter. There was an official US covert war in Syria; just as currently there are thousands of US troops in Syria. Its all illegal. It all contravenes International Law. It has murdered & destroyed the lives & livelihoods of millions of people. Recent American military action in Raqqa & Mosul has killed hundreds of people & children. Recent American action in a foreign land killed 200 invited Russian mercenaries.

The US Motion Picture Academy gave an Academy Award to the fundamentalists in the video who operated next door to Al Nusra (Al Qaeda). Have you forgotten Al Qaeda supposedly did 9/11? Does it concern you the affiliates of the official doers of 9/11 are being supported by the USA in Syria?

[Mr Man]

The text is part of the picture as presented to this forum.

Does it concern you....

What concerns me is that fake is being presented as real on a Buddhist forum.

Do you think there is a need to present lies to discredit the US?

[Dharmasherab]

Why not listen to what Ex-Muslims have to say about Islam? Escpecially as for the reasons as to why they left Islam?

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page

http://www.faithfreedom.org/

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[Upeksha]

The text is part of the picture as presented to this forum.

Does it concern you....

What concerns me is that fake is being presented as real on a Buddhist forum.

Do you think there is a need to present lies to discredit the US?

On the level of precepts, I think we have to admit that intention/cetana is decisive - and people who are invested in conspiracy theories truly believe that they are on the side of 'truth.' So it becomes an epistemological problem (a rather severe one in my opinion) rather than a moral one of honesty/dishonesty.

However, on the level of right speech, I think posts which slander and criticise other religions (and practitioners of those religions) without any substantive argument or evidence - are deeply contrary to a very central moral principle in Buddhism. I simply don't know how people can indulge in this without feeling the deep inner contradiction with their dharma practice.

[Kamran]

However, on the level of right speech, I think posts which slander and criticise other religions (and practitioners of those religions) without any substantive argument or evidence - are deeply contrary to a very central moral principle in Buddhism. I simply don't know how people can indulge in this without feeling the deep inner contradiction with their dharma practice.

[DooDoot]

What concerns me is that fake is being presented as real on a Buddhist forum. Do you think there is a need to present lies to discredit the US?

What was posted is true, according to the US govt. The truth was posted, from the horse's mouth. Sorry, but Buddhism does not exempt the US govt from criticism.

Greetings Kamran...

How did Marcus Papadopoulos slip into Murdoch's mainstream media?

[Mr Man]

Does it concern you....

What concerns me is that fake is being presented as real on a Buddhist forum.

Do you think there is a need to present lies to discredit the US?

On the level of precepts, I think we have to admit that intention/cetana is decisive - and people who are invested in conspiracy theories truly believe that they are on the side of 'truth.' So it becomes an epistemological problem (a rather severe one in my opinion) rather than a moral one of honesty/dishonesty.

However, on the level of right speech, I think posts which slander and criticise other religions (and practitioners of those religions) without any substantive argument or evidence - are deeply contrary to a very central moral principle in Buddhism. I simply don't know how people can indulge in this without feeling the deep inner contradiction with their dharma practice.

Thanks Upeksha

[Mr Man]

What concerns me is that fake is being presented as real on a Buddhist forum. Do you think there is a need to present lies to discredit the US?

What was posted is true, according to the US govt. The truth was posted, from the horse's mouth.

The US govt. said that McCain met with Abu Mosa and Al Baghdadi?

Sorry, but Buddhism does not exempt the US govt from criticism.

Did someone say that it did?


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Here is something from the Washington Post

Four Pinocchios for Rand Paul’s claim that McCain met with the Islamic State

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fac ... c2475a496a

The Post article links to Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syri ... GJ20131002

[DooDoot]

Four Pinocchios for Rand Paul’s claim that McCain met with the Islamic State

I already posted the exact details do not matter. All those terrorists are affiliated with each other, including the so-called 'Free Syrian Army". Each has the same goal; which is the same goal as the USA. The USA had/has an official covert operation. We knew about it for years since the Americans were literally training terrorists in Jordan years ago, as was shown on film & photo.

The point of my contribution to this thread is:

1. The religion of Islam did not do 9/11.

2. The religion of Islam is not Terrorist Jihad.

3. Terrorist Jihad has been a US foreign policy tool since the 1950s.

4. The terrorism that occasionally murders Westerners but murders millions of real Muslims appears to be a US govt covert operation.

5. After 16 years of a so-called War on Terror by the US govt, the same Al Queda terrorists are stronger, larger & terrorise good people for the sake of US-Zionist-NATO-Saudi-Qatari interests.

6. If we believe the religion of Islam did 9/11 & nurtures terrorists, we justify the murdering of millions of good Muslim people & non-Muslim people who live in Muslim nations that were unrelated to 9/11.

7. GW Bush said: "you are either with us or with terrorists" but it has become quite evident the US govt & the terrorists had/have the same goals in Iraq, Libya, Syria & maybe Iran. It has become quite evident the "US govt is with the terrorists" and "the terrorists are with the US govt".

8. This is why the corporate mass media continues to support Al Qaeda terrorists in East Gouta, in the exact same way they supported Al Qaeda terrorists in Allepo.

9. $6 trillion spent since 2001 from the US taxpayer comprising of 1/3 of the US govt debt on a War on Terror; yet the terror grows.

[Mr Man]

I already posted the exact details do not matter.

So your fine with misrepresentation?

[DooDoot]

So your fine with misrepresentation?

Irrelevant since no evidence was provided to support the contrary view. The article that SFA & ISIS were "bitter enemies" is a non-sense. There are videos of interviews with SFA, saying they & ISIS are "brothers". Regardless, so you are fine with the death & destruction of the lives of millions of people & the waste of $6 trillion in US taxpayer money?