Thank you very much for your thoughtful reply. I appreciate you taking the time to answer.
Americans will never give up their guns.
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Greetings Justsit,
Documents suggest possible coordination between CIA, FBI, Obama WH and Dem officials early in Trump-Russia probe: investigators
The Real Collusion Story (a long article, but excellent)
... and I predict much more coming to light over the course of the year. These select leaks are just a teaser to get people gradually accustomed to the full magnitude of the corruption. We saw the lengths Clinton went to in order to sabotage one of her own (i.e. Bernie Sanders) during the Democratic primaries... so it really shouldn't surprise anyone the lengths she and her co-conspirators would go to in order to sabotage an anti-establishment Republican who threatened to drain the swamp in Washington D.C.!
Anyway, the connection here relates to the enactment of the full Obama-Clinton 16 year plan as it pertained to guns and the 2nd amendment. If anyone wishes to discuss the various corruption probes in their own right, it's probably best we do it in another topic. Thanks.
Metta,
Paul.
Not a problem. And just as something of a postscript to that answer, here's further indication that has since come out, that substantiates what I spoke of...
Documents suggest possible coordination between CIA, FBI, Obama WH and Dem officials early in Trump-Russia probe: investigators
The Real Collusion Story (a long article, but excellent)
... and I predict much more coming to light over the course of the year. These select leaks are just a teaser to get people gradually accustomed to the full magnitude of the corruption. We saw the lengths Clinton went to in order to sabotage one of her own (i.e. Bernie Sanders) during the Democratic primaries... so it really shouldn't surprise anyone the lengths she and her co-conspirators would go to in order to sabotage an anti-establishment Republican who threatened to drain the swamp in Washington D.C.!
Anyway, the connection here relates to the enactment of the full Obama-Clinton 16 year plan as it pertained to guns and the 2nd amendment. If anyone wishes to discuss the various corruption probes in their own right, it's probably best we do it in another topic. Thanks.
Metta,
Paul.
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)
"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)
"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)
"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
Re: Americans will never give up their guns.
He doesn't like the FBI and CIA to spy on him, but does not mind if they spy on millions of average citizens.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:43 am Greetings Justsit,
Not a problem. And just as something of a postscript to that answer, here's further indication that has since come out, that substantiates what I spoke of...
Documents suggest possible coordination between CIA, FBI, Obama WH and Dem officials early in Trump-Russia probe: investigators
The Real Collusion Story (a long article, but excellent)
... and I predict much more coming to light over the course of the year. These select leaks are just a teaser to get people gradually accustomed to the full magnitude of the corruption. We saw the lengths Clinton went to in order to sabotage one of her own (i.e. Bernie Sanders) during the Democratic primaries... so it really shouldn't surprise anyone the lengths she and her co-conspirators would go to in order to sabotage an anti-establishment Republican who threatened to drain the swamp in Washington D.C.!
Anyway, the connection here relates to the enactment of the full Obama-Clinton 16 year plan as it pertained to guns and the 2nd amendment. If anyone wishes to discuss the various corruption probes in their own right, it's probably best we do it in another topic. Thanks.
Metta,
Paul.
"Silence gives answers"
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Re: Americans will never give up their guns.
Most western democracies are able to protect themselves against "government tyranny" without mass gun ownership, so I find the first argument here entirely unconvincing. It's also an anachronism.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:35 pm I see two main arguments presented in favour of Americans keeping their guns.
- Protection (as a collective deterrent, and means to fight back) against government tyranny
- Personal protection against attackers
I also find the second reason unconvincing. International studies demonstrate that the main result of mass gun ownership is a lot more people being killed by guns.
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Re: Americans will never give up their guns.
Dinsdale wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:53 amMost western democracies are able to protect themselves against "government tyranny" without mass gun ownershipretrofuturist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:35 pm I see two main arguments presented in favour of Americans keeping their guns.
- Protection (as a collective deterrent, and means to fight back) against government tyranny
- Personal protection against attackers
Evidence?
Just because state tyranny isn't in place in most western democracies right now doesn't mean that it is the lack of mass gun ownership which keeps it from appearing.
Absence of guns among the citizenry is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for absence of state tyranny.
I would say that presence of guns among the citizenry is, if not a necessary or sufficient condition for absence of state tyranny, then a very strong deterrent to those in the state who would wish to implement said tyranny.
Coercive power in the hands of the citizenry (as opposed to the state) is a necessary condition for the absence of state tyranny over the long term.
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"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta
'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19
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Then why don't our Australian and English friends want to give up their free health insurance and move to USA??
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Personally, I'm frightened of being shot...lyndon taylor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:00 pm Then why don't our Australian and English friends want to give up their free health insurance and move to USA??
A reminder might be needed here that in England we don't have free health insurance; we have compulsory health insurance. And the system shows increasing signs of not working.
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Greetings,
Not that I see the connection with guns...
Metta,
Paul.
There is no free health insurance here. If you wish to pay my monthly premium, and my Medicare levy etc., Lyndon, and make it free for me then be my guest.lyndon taylor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:00 pm Then why don't our Australian and English friends want to give up their free health insurance and move to USA??
Not that I see the connection with guns...
Metta,
Paul.
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)
"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)
"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)
"Overcome the liar by truth." (Dhp 223)
Re: Americans will never give up their guns.
Australia and the UK have free health insurance?lyndon taylor wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:00 pm Then why don't our Australian and English friends want to give up their free health insurance and move to USA??
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Re: Americans will never give up their guns.
It's more that most western democracies are able to protect themselves against "government tyranny" by complying with this tyranny and promoting it, so that it doesn't look like tyranny at all.
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Agreed. I printed it out and gave it a close read. I look forward to the day when the major players in the smear face justice. They've done a lot of harm to the nation.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:43 am
The Real Collusion Story (a long article, but excellent)
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They wouldn't elect a clown like Trump.Pseudobabble wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:38 amDinsdale wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:53 amMost western democracies are able to protect themselves against "government tyranny" without mass gun ownershipretrofuturist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:35 pm I see two main arguments presented in favour of Americans keeping their guns.
- Protection (as a collective deterrent, and means to fight back) against government tyranny
- Personal protection against attackers
Evidence?
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Evidence is the gun nuts support government tyranny as they're the ones that voted for Trump
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John
http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/
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