"Shock and Awe". Do you remember that?

[Samana Johann 1]

It's been 15 years since the idiotic and immoral invasion of Iraq.
At the time, I said it would be a catastrophic failure. I was right.

But who listened? Conservatives continued to believe what they are programmed to believe. Most of them got mad at me. No one learned, no one listened. And now, things just get worse.
Why? Because most people are just God Dam Ignorant as Hell.

Why not asking "Why am I still incapable to gain the necessary samvega to have strong desire to gain release?" Why?

Children love to poke ants

Poking a Red Ants' Nest

Sensuality is like taking a stick and using it to poke a big red ants' nest. The more we poke it, the more the red ants come falling on us, onto our face, into our eyes, stinging our ears and eyes. But we don't see the drawbacks of what we're doing. It's all good as far as we can see. Understand that if you don't see the drawbacks of these things you'll never work your way free of them.

So why look for news, politic and get involved in lost things? *poke*

(Not sure, thinling Nyom Alan lives in Thailand, in this case he knows the skilled red-ants, those with eye-faculty, so beware, althought they see not far and do not bite if not provoked, assume you as food or enemy)

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[DooDoot]

I watching the video & it is making the Iraqis look evil. The American said Chemical Ali (who used US chemical weapons) has a special place in hell; as though the American doesn't. Crazy cittas & nama-rupas.

[chownah]

I remember the shock and awe.....that was when the world trade center was destroyed.....right?
chownah

[DooDoot]

I remember the shock and awe.....that was when the world trade center was destroyed.....right?

Did Iraq destroy the WTC? Right?

[No_Mind]

I watching the video & it is making the Iraqis look evil.

From Al Jazeera



from MSNBC



U.S. soldier confesses about his unit killing civilians

[Samana Johann 1]

My person was "forced" to spend 1 week, short before, in NY, to wait for a connect fly. Right after watching the mass of pride from above the twins of greed and hatred, bound together by delusion, right after *shaking my persons head* about the DLs mandala in the entery hall as a "blessing" (shortly done before, about all this bones around, build up by pride.

As than crossing a green-less tiny cemetery in the middle of Manhattens prife, with signs "keep out of grass", my person just know that there is less future to expect.

After watching live, while sick at home, having returned from Belize, my person knew propably never again enter a place where strong wrong view, strong materialism, believe in identity.

Blessed if one joins into another, blessed. Run to the Hills... before the Jains cut of the forest around. It's useless to try to be just another loosely hero of one day...

The Arrows of Thinking.

[DooDoot]

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Regardless of the deception, the war was completely wrong at the time and, at least for me, a demonstration of the coup d'état that was 9/11; where all rational & moral Western democracy was lost. As an Australian, at the time, I was horrified (since Australia joined the UK & US group). I remember my devout Christian boss at work at the time, who I respected a lot & actually owe a lot to (in terms of livelihood). My boss said to me, in support of the war: "They are Muslims". I couldn't believe he would say that. The same lies continue today & will probably one day consume those who remain negligent to those lies because the 9/11 coup d'état defeated both international & domestic rule of law.

[JeffR]

I remember the shock and awe.....that was when the world trade center was destroyed.....right?
chownah

No. The world trade center was destroyed by Al-qaeda, which was lead by Osama bin Laden and supported by the Taliban government in Afghanistan; Sept. 2001. Shock & Awe, the US invasion of Iraq, happened 1.5 years later; March, 2003.

Bush did try to tie links between Sadam and Al-Qaeda; but couldn't since they were actually greater enemies than the USA & Al-Qaeda (The formation of Al-Qaeda was financed and armed by the USA after the Soviet invasion of Afghanastan in the 1980's as a gorilla army to fight the soviets). That's why he went with the WMD excuse, no one could prove them wrong and Bush was lost in a fantasy that the Iraqis would welcome the Americans so didn't think it would matter after no WMD would be found. Delusional thinking.

[DooDoot]

The world trade center was destroyed by Al-qaeda, which was lead by Osama bin Laden and supported by the Taliban government in Afghanistan; Sept. 2001.

What did Osama bin Laden & the Taliban government in Afghanistan hope to gain by doing this?

[Kamran]

You make it sounds like Iran was the aggressor in that war. Explain more, thanks.

Iraq invaded Iran and took over the oil producing regions of Iran.

But after the first year or so, Iran had already pushed them back into their own borders.

At this point, Saddam asked for a permanent ceasefire. He asked to end the war.

Iran said it would only accept a ceasefire if Saddam was dead, Iraq had a new Government, and paid reparations.

That is, the Iranians needlessly extended the war for another 6 years.

They did this for internal political reasons (to get rid of internal opposition and consolidate the revolutionary regime under the guise of national defense), and because they thought they could win.

The Iraqi political parties currently running Iraq were created by Iran during this period to act as a type of "Vichy France" type government that they would install after defeating Iraq.

It took large-scale Chemical Weapon attacks and the US "accidentally" shooting down Iranian passenger airliners in the Persian Gulf for Iran to finally accept a ceasefire.

But as is turns out, the Iranians got a second chance to install their "Vichy France" thanks to the Shock and Awe and Stupidity of the Americans.

[DooDoot]

Iran said it would only accept a ceasefire if Saddam was dead, Iraq had a new Government, and paid reparations. That is, the Iranians needlessly extended the war for another 6 years.

OK. Thanks. However, my intuition is Iran would have not taken over Syria if they won. Saddam was a US puppet & Iran probably wanted him out. If Hezbollah wanted to takeover Lebanon, nothing within Lebanon could stop them. I sense these nations (Iran. Syria, Lebanon ) simply want to live in peace, autonomy, without external interference. I would like to visit Syria. The pluralism there looks amazing. I have come to feel very close to the Syrian people following their tragedy. I feel the heart of Levantine culture is in Syria (rather than in Lebanon). I sense 'historical eternity' there; the mother of humanity. I sense they are different to Lebanese, who are more Westernized & conceited. I watched this video & found it inspiring:

[Kamran]

Iran said it would only accept a ceasefire if Saddam was dead, Iraq had a new Government, and paid reparations. That is, the Iranians needlessly extended the war for another 6 years.

OK. Thanks. However, my intuition is Iran would have not taken over Syria if they won. Saddam was a US puppet & probably wanted him out. If Hezbollah wanted to takeover Lebanon, nothing within Lebanon could stop them. I sense these nations simply want to live in peace.

No they would not have invaded Syria.

The Iranians don't use brute force.

They build hospitals, schools, and housing for the poor.

They create local political parties to distribute these charities (with an armed wing, of course).

They take power this way.

Not with tanks.

They are religious clerics.

[DooDoot]

They take power this way.

OK. Thanks. Like Hezbollah, who the Lebanese people have grown to like. Hassan Nasrallah gained many admirers regarding ISIS.

[binocular]

It's been 15 years since the idiotic and immoral invasion of Iraq.
At the time, I said it would be a catastrophic failure. I was right.

But who listened? Conservatives continued to believe what they are programmed to believe. Most of them got mad at me. No one learned, no one listened. And now, things just get worse.
Why? Because most people are just God Dam Ignorant as Hell.

You keep saying that, and nothing changes.
So who's just God Dam ignorant as Hell ...

[JeffR]

The world trade center was destroyed by Al-qaeda, which was lead by Osama bin Laden and supported by the Taliban government in Afghanistan; Sept. 2001.

What did Osama bin Laden & the Taliban government in Afghanistan hope to gain by doing this?

Good question. Figuring that out would probably be akin to figuring out the workings of kamma, one of the four imponderables.

Osama bin Laden's stated reason for doing this was to get the USA to remove it's military presence from KSA (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia). I can understand why anyone would not want a foreign military presence in thier country, but his claim that the presence of an infidel foreign army was soiling the purity of the keeper of the two great shrines [of Islam] is, in my view, pure propaganda in order to recruit minion soldiers for his mercenary army.

Some facts:
-OBL (Osama bin Laden) put together a guerilla army mainly of bedoin mercenaries that defeated the Soviet military in Afganistan. Quite a feat, defeating the Soviet army, the German Nazi's failed on the Russion front, the American army failed in Korea, along with pretty much any other army that tried.
-Once the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan, the USA immediately cut off ALL support to OBL, financial and militarily.
-OBL opposed American involvement in mid-East conflicts.

To my knowledge, the majority of mideast people and governments where grateful to the American military for ousting Sadam from Kuwait. But, they did not like the treachorous bombing of everyone in Iraq, nor have any appreciation for the Americans sticking around with their bases or the continued sanctions and military action (no-fly zones) in Iraq once the original stated goal was acheived.

My opinion:
OBL must have been swelling with pride and ego after defeating the Soviets. It's pretty well accepted that the Americans cutting of all aid and asking him to fade into obscurity pissed him off. Many career military men in positions of power when coming off an astounding victory will seek out the next good fight. There were a number of reasons the American military action in Iraq during the 1991 gulf war could be taken as a complete disregard for Arab life. Together with the occupying forces, this created a fantastic recrutment oppurtunity. Another fact: OBL was able to gain a lot of financial and volunteer soldier support within KSA via an easy propoganda campaign based on America's disregard for 'muslim' life and defiling sacred land (religious propoganda works well, the USA uses it all the time) this propoganda campaign took off with a life of its own in the KSA.

He just wanted to kick some American Ass. Another militarialistic sociopath.
Taking out the world trade center showed he could do something; it was considered quite a victory for a small time guerilla army to achieve such a successful military attack on the US on our own soil. It served as a means for continued support, power, and feeding his grandious ego.

A fool to not consider the future ramificaions and the defeat in Afghanistan that would follow.

As for the Taliban, without Al-qaeda they did not have the muscle to support their oppressive government on the Afghan people. So they gave OBL the refuge and training grounds he requested in exchange for financial and military aid from Al-qaeda.

As pointed out in the OP; Bush Jr. and those who supported the invasion of Iraq were even bigger fools than OBL; Not only did the act of invading Iraq become a major distraction from achieving stability in Afghanistan; by creating a huge power vacuum in Iraq, it lead to the horrific situations across the mid-east and northern Africa we have today; along with the suffering and instability citizen people like ourselves have been subjected to for the past 15 years. It's possible some of the military atrocities in other parts of Africa over the past 15 years have also spawned from this (Clearly what occured in Timbuktu a few years ago was).