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Re: Dictionary.com is dumb and dishonest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:31 am
by mikenz66
I'm sure some people are still outraged by the modern usage of gay and decimate... :jumping:

Ironically, some of the annoying pedantry one hears is quite modern, silly, and now out of date:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_infinitive


:heart:
Mike

Re: Dictionary.com is dumb and dishonest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:16 am
by Kim OHara
mikenz66 wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:31 am I'm sure some people are still outraged by the modern usage of gay and decimate... :jumping:
The first of these is actually a real problem for any primary-school teacher wanting to introduce students to older fiction - even from Enid Blyton's era - and it's an example of a constant churn of words moving from use as a euphemism to primary use in the new meaning. Think, for instance, of the words we have used for the smallest room in the house.
Ironically, some of the annoying pedantry one hears is quite modern, silly, and now out of date:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_infinitive
All good fun, especially -
As a result, the debate took on a degree of passion which the bare facts of the matter never warranted. There was frequent skirmishing between the splitters and anti-splitters until the 1960s. George Bernard Shaw wrote letters to newspapers supporting writers who used the split infinitive and Raymond Chandler complained to the editor of The Atlantic about a proofreader who interfered with Chandler's split infinitives:

"By the way, would you convey my compliments to the purist who reads your proofs and tell him or her that I write in a sort of broken-down patois which is something like the way a Swiss-waiter talks, and that when I split an infinitive, God damn it, I split it so it will remain split, and when I interrupt the velvety smoothness of my more or less literate syntax with a few sudden words of barroom vernacular, this is done with the eyes wide open and the mind relaxed and attentive. The method may not be perfect, but it is all I have."[34]
:coffee:
Kim

Re: Dictionary.com is dumb and dishonest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:10 am
by retrofuturist
Greetings Kim,
Kim OHara wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:06 am I've just shared that to word-conscious friends and I'm looking forward to some outraged responses. :tongue:
I think why this re-definition irks me most, is that the new definition is literally the antonym of itself.

So in effect, the word now simultaneously means [A] and NOT [A].

... and this degeneracy degrades the word to the point of post-modern ridiculousness.

Metta,
Paul. :)

Re: Dictionary.com is dumb and dishonest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:22 am
by Kim OHara
retrofuturist wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:10 am Greetings Kim,
Kim OHara wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:06 am I've just shared that to word-conscious friends and I'm looking forward to some outraged responses. :tongue:
I think why this re-definition irks me most, is that the new definition is literally the antonym of itself.

So in effect, the word now simultaneously means [A] and NOT [A].

... and this degeneracy degrades the word to the point of post-modern ridiculousness.

Metta,
Paul. :)
I don't know whether to say, "I could care less," or, "I couldn't care less." :tongue:
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Neither is true, actually, but I couldn't resist a chance to :stirthepot:
Really, I share your irritation.

:coffee:
Kim

Re: Dictionary.com is dumb and dishonest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:27 am
by Sam Vara
retrofuturist wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:10 am Greetings Kim,
Kim OHara wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:06 am I've just shared that to word-conscious friends and I'm looking forward to some outraged responses. :tongue:
I think why this re-definition irks me most, is that the new definition is literally the antonym of itself.

So in effect, the word now simultaneously means [A] and NOT [A].

... and this degeneracy degrades the word to the point of post-modern ridiculousness.

Metta,
Paul. :)
There's a lot of it about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym

http://mentalfloss.com/article/57032/25 ... -opposites

Re: Dictionary.com is dumb and dishonest

Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:08 am
by mikenz66
Kim OHara wrote: Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:22 am I don't know whether to say, "I could care less," or, "I couldn't care less." :tongue:
Is this thread flammable or inflammable? :tongue:

:jumping:
Mike