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Greetings.


When interacting with other people in one way or another, one is operating with some basic, default assumptions about what people as such are. These default assumptions don't have anything to do with the particular person one is interacting with, but are a matter of one's general outlook on life and people.

Examples of default assumptions about people:
"People are basically good."
"People are basically bad."
"Each person is an enemy of every other person."
"Each person is a competitor of every other person."
Etc.

In Buddhism, what are the default assumptions about people as such?


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Khandhā?
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Greetings,

People are papañca-saññā-sankhā

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Strange.. Yes

Humans are basically ignorant with an opportunity to become wise
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binocular wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:15 am Greetings.


When interacting with other people in one way or another, one is operating with some basic, default assumptions about what people as such are. These default assumptions don't have anything to do with the particular person one is interacting with, but are a matter of one's general outlook on life and people.

Examples of default assumptions about people:
"People are basically good."
"People are basically bad."
"Each person is an enemy of every other person."
"Each person is a competitor of every other person."
Etc.

In Buddhism, what are the default assumptions about people as such?

Thinking good and bad is called Mana (conceit or measurement)
The others are called Dithi (views)

Because now I have learned Buddhism I think "people are ignorant"


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The Vedas state … in Kali-yuga everyone is born as a Shudra


Still, one can become a Brahman
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...the owners of their actions
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... not better, not worse, not the same.
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Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain

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Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
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Too varied to make any general statement about, so this type of approach is unskillful.
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dharmacorps wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:19 pm Too varied to make any general statement about, so this type of approach is unskillful.
:thumbsup:

Why have any underlying assumptions? Just wait and see and you can decide based on their character, actions.
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DNS wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:44 pm
dharmacorps wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:19 pm Too varied to make any general statement about, so this type of approach is unskillful.
:thumbsup:

Why have any underlying assumptions? Just wait and see and you can decide based on their character, actions.
People are too varied for any assumptions to be particularly reliable, but our assumptions guide our own behaviour - quite strongly in some situations.
And if our assumptions are negative, they will firstly make us unhappy and secondly be expressed in our own negative behaviour - suspicious, fearful, anxious, mean, etc - which will usually generate negative responses from the other person.

That's a lose-lose-lose scenario, isn't it?

So I'm going to go one step further than dharmacorps and say that the skilful default assumption is that people are basically good.

:meditate:
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binocular wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:15 am In Buddhism, what are the default assumptions about people as such?
from MN 12:
14. (5) "Again, the Tathagata understands as it actually is how beings have different inclinations. That too is a Tathagata's power...

15. (6) "Again, the Tathagata understands as it actually is the disposition of the faculties of other beings, other persons. That too is a Tathagata's power...
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binocular wrote: Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:15 am In Buddhism, what are the default assumptions about people as such?
Eventually none.
Exhaling अ and inhaling धीः amounts to བྷྲཱུཾ་བི་ཤྭ་བི་ཤུད་དྷེ It's definitely not science but science may provide guidelines nevertheless.
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... A mirror.

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