Dhamma Wheel Study Group returns on April 4th 2021

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Dhamma Wheel Study Group returns on April 4th 2021

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Greetings all,

After being on haitus for a couple of years, the Dhamma Wheel Study Group will re-open and become active once more from Sunday, April 4th 2021.

Your Dhamma Study facilitator will be SDC, who will take you on a guided tour across the Sutta Pitaka and key themes and concepts therein.

I'll leave SDC to announce more details in due course, but for now, please keep an eye out for further announcements if you're interested in deepening your understanding of the Buddha's discourses.

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Thanks SDC!

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Wondering if SDC will use or consult any English translation of some introductory text that covers "key themes and concepts" in the Sutta Pitaka?
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Many thanks!

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Dearest SDC and Dearest Retro: this is wonderful, sobering, joyful, and soothing news.
It is a challenge, and I was waiting to see who the hero would be, who would come forward
to carry out this much needed task.
I am sure the community is grateful to you SDC. Happy sutta hunting! and hopefully
in the spirit of the suttas these discussions will generate a great deal of good will, and harmony,
immersing us in the suttas, that speak of the wisdom of the
Buddha.
With much love :candle:
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Nicholas Weeks wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:56 pm Wondering if SDC will use or consult any English translation of some introductory text that covers "key themes and concepts" in the Sutta Pitaka?
I’ve heard many a skilled translators and linguists say, in some form or another, that “translation is interpretation”. Now considering the additional scope that comes with the introduction of modern western concepts into an ancient context, I have found this sentiment to be quite true. So, while participants in the study group will be free to include relevant information from contemporary sources, as facilitator I only have plans to offer a limited amount of additional information. I have hard copies of most of the sutta piktaka and will be consulting the translator’s notes for each sutta we read, which will often include information about the translation process and key bits from the ancient commentaries. I also plan to include the definition and etymology for certain key terms to further assist in drawing out the meaning intended in the Pali.

Believe me, I could introduce layers of interpretive material for each sutta, but for now I would rather leave that choice to readers to pursue as they see fit. Although, this will be far from a raw, purely scriptural approach, which can be equally problematic. So with some help from the different translators, the Pali-English dictionaries, and the experiences of the readers, the texts can still do most of the talking.

This is not etched in stone, and as we proceed I will be open to suggestions.
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bodom wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:19 am :thumbsup:

Thanks SDC!

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Lucas Oliveira wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:44 pm :woohoo:

Many thanks!

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Pulsar wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:24 pm Dearest SDC and Dearest Retro: this is wonderful, sobering, joyful, and soothing news.
It is a challenge, and I was waiting to see who the hero would be, who would come forward
to carry out this much needed task.
I am sure the community is grateful to you SDC. Happy sutta hunting! and hopefully
in the spirit of the suttas these discussions will generate a great deal of good will, and harmony,
immersing us in the suttas, that speak of the wisdom of the
Buddha.
With much love :candle:
You always offer the finest support, Pulsar. I look forward to your participation in the group.
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SDC wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:27 pm
Nicholas Weeks wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:56 pm Wondering if SDC will use or consult any English translation of some introductory text that covers "key themes and concepts" in the Sutta Pitaka?
I’ve heard many a skilled translators and linguists say, in some form or another, that “translation is interpretation”. Now considering the additional scope that comes with the introduction of modern western concepts into an ancient context, I have found this sentiment to be quite true. So, while participants in the study group will be free to include relevant information from contemporary sources, as facilitator I only have plans to offer a limited amount of additional information. I have hard copies of most of the sutta piktaka and will be consulting the translator’s notes for each sutta we read, which will often include information about the translation process and key bits from the ancient commentaries. I also plan to include the definition and etymology for certain key terms to further assist in drawing out the meaning intended in the Pali.

Believe me, I could introduce layers of interpretive material for each sutta, but for now I would rather leave that choice to readers to pursue as they see fit. Although, this will be far from a raw, purely scriptural approach, which can be equally problematic. So with some help from the different translators, the Pali-English dictionaries, and the experiences of the readers, the texts can still do most of the talking.

This is not etched in stone, and as we proceed I will be open to suggestions.
Sounds sensible. Will you hop from sutta to sutta within one Nikaya or do you have a thematic sequence outlined where excerpts from varied suttas that have the same theme will be followed?

Looking forward to the group study!
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Nicholas Weeks wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:38 pm
“SDC” wrote: ...
This is not etched in stone, and as we proceed I will be open to suggestions.
Sounds sensible. Will you hop from sutta to sutta within one Nikaya or do you have a thematic sequence outlined where excerpts from varied suttas that have the same theme will be followed?

Looking forward to the group study!
So I’m still finalizing a few things, but in the coming days will give a better idea of how I plan to proceed. In a nutshell, it will be a nice mix of what Mike was doing along with some additional new ways of presenting. Stay tuned!
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Looking forward to this. Thanks SDC!

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mikenz66 wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:21 pm Looking forward to this. Thanks SDC!

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Hi SDC
SDC wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 3:54 pm
mikenz66 wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:21 pm Looking forward to this. Thanks SDC!

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I'm sure you'll do well!

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Sounds good.
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Dearest SDC: It is April the 1st,
but I am not fooling. Dying to see your first selection,
and everyone after that.
I hope it will be a grand surprise each and every time, presenting
the Dhamma in a myriad ways, sometimes like the blossoms
of the Kimsuka
tree.
With love :candle:
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