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Re: Nibbana and nihilism

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the Everlasting, (Dhuva)
the Undisintegrating, (Apalokita)
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:18 pm the Everlasting, (Dhuva)
the Undisintegrating, (Apalokita)
The way you post it is not at all clear to me what the heck you are talking about and this goes for most of your posts on the matter.
How about you make a coherent statement of more than 10 words about nibbana, in your own words and as you understand it.
Because if you are not willing to do that or willing to be questioned on the matter i think it you should avoid categorically calling Slander.
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'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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I'm saying Nirvana is Everlasting
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:34 pm I'm saying Nirvana is Everlasting
what exactly do you mean by everlasting then? saying lasts forever here is not acceptable answer of course...
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'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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Nirvana itself is everlasting.

Nirvana, similar to God, requires faith that it exists, requires faith, requires faith.
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:40 pm Nirvana itself is everlasting.

Nirvana, similar to God, requires faith that it exists, requires faith, requires faith.
I am not out to break ur balls here but you are not answering direct legitimate questions:
What exactly do you mean by everlasting?
'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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ev·er·last·ing
adjective
1.
lasting forever or for a very long time.
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:45 pm ev·er·last·ing
adjective
1.
lasting forever or for a very long time.
so you are defining the word with the word it self.

It is like saying applejuice is juice made of apples... This answers NOTHING in regards to what is juice and what is an apple, i am sure there is some word for this kind of reasoning.
lasting forever or for a very long time.
Furthermore by your own definition here it is both finite or infite, so you are also contradicting yourself.
'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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rightviewftw wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:47 pmi am sure there is some word for this kind of reasoning.
it's called language
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:51 pm
rightviewftw wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:47 pmi am sure there is some word for this kind of reasoning.
it's called language
it is called avoiding questions man. I asked you what exactly do you mean by everlasting, you tell me it lasts for ever. That is not an answer to my question. This is not called answering a question.
'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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you don't like the answer, it's nonetheless the answer

Nirvana is forever
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:54 pm you don't like the answer, it's nonetheless the answer

Nirvana is forever
it is not an answer man, you did not even paraphase, you just took short form of "forever" which is "ever" and replaced the short form with original form, making no change but claiming that "everlasting" is defined by "lasts forever" this is not true in the world, you will be laughed at in any country for this, this is established in the world as not a proper definition nor an explaination for sure.
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'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:40 pm Nirvana, similar to God, requires faith that it exists, requires faith, requires faith.[/i]
and this is complete heresy and nonsense.
'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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faith isn't heresy, it's a spiritual faculty

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/aut ... el065.html
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cappuccino wrote: Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:02 pm faith isn't heresy, it's a spiritual faculty, one of five
your statements are heretic and it is not good to misrepresent me.

I suspect that you fall into this cathegory;
"Herein, bhikkhus, a certain recluse or a brahmin is dull and stupid. Due to his dullness and stupidity, when he is questioned about this or that point, he resorts to evasive statements and to endless equivocation: 'If you ask me whether there is a world beyond — if I thought there is another world, I would declare that there is. But I do not take it thus, nor do I take it in that way, nor do I take it in some other way. I do not say that it is not, nor do I say that is neither this nor that.'
and/or eternalist but idk because you cant explain eternity. heck maybe ur some sneaky annihilationist even, it is hard to tell when you hide it like that.

Maybe i am wrong of course and you can prove by disproving this prediction;
"Similarly, when asked any of the following questions, he resorts to the same evasive statements and to endless equivocation:

A.
2. Is there no world beyond?
3. Is it that there both is and is not a world beyond?
4. Is it that there neither is nor is not a world beyond?
B.
1. Are there beings spontaneously reborn?
2. Are there no beings spontaneously reborn?
3. Is it that there both are and are not beings spontaneously reborn?
4. Is it that there neither are nor are not beings spontaneously reborn?
C.
1. Is there fruit and result of good and bad action?
2. Is there no fruit and result of good and bad action?
3. Is it that there both is and is not fruit and result of good and bad action?
4. Is it that there neither is nor is not fruit and result of good and bad action?
D.
1.Does the Tathāgata exist after death?
2.Does the Tathāgata not exist after death?
3.Does the Tathāgata both exist and not exist after death?
4.Does the Tathāgata neither exist nor not exist after death?
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'Bhikkhus, possessing three qualities, a bhikkhu is practicing the unmistaken way and has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the taints. What three? Here, a bhikkhu guards the doors of the sense faculties, observes moderation in eating, and is intent on wakefulness. He should develop perception of unattractiveness so as to abandon lust... good will so as to abandon ill will... mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off distractive thinking... the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.
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