Hello all,
Here are some links to where Abhidhamma is taught in the Suttas. I'm sure there are other Suttas though.
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/majjhima/112 ... hana-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Majjhima Nikaya 112 Chabbisodhana Sutta - The Six-Fold Examination
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/majjhima/115 ... tuka-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Majjhima Nikaya 115 Bahudhatuka Sutta - The Many Kinds of Elements
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/majjhima/140 ... anga-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Majjhima Nikaya 140 Dhatu-vibhanga Sutta - The Exposition of the
Properties
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/majjhima/148-chachakka-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Majjhima Nikaya 148 Chachakka Sutta The Discourse of Six Sixes
http://www.budsas.org/ebud/majjhima/149 ... nika-e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Majjhima Nikaya 149 Mahaasa.laayatanika Sutta - The Longer Discourse
on the six spheres
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sa ... 2-056.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Samyutta Nikaya XXII.56 Parivatta Sutta - The (Fourfold) Round
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/canon/sa ... 2-057.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Samyutta Nikaya XXII.57 - Seven Bases
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Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
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Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
Excellent, Chris! Just excellent!
Thanks for posting!
Metta
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Thanks for posting!
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Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
Greetings,
It's probably worth noting that the term "abhidhamma" appears in the suttas, but in that context it simply refers to the Buddha's teaching which do not infer a conventional person... thus, that which addresses elements, sense-bases, mindstates etc.
Then there is "Abhidhamma", not referred to in the suttas, which refers to the Abhidhamma Pitaka.
Whilst the differences are acknowledged, it's also worth bearing in mind that there's no concept of capital letters in Pali, so confusion may arise when it's not understood which (A/a)bhidhamma is being referred to.
Metta,
Retro.
It's probably worth noting that the term "abhidhamma" appears in the suttas, but in that context it simply refers to the Buddha's teaching which do not infer a conventional person... thus, that which addresses elements, sense-bases, mindstates etc.
Then there is "Abhidhamma", not referred to in the suttas, which refers to the Abhidhamma Pitaka.
Whilst the differences are acknowledged, it's also worth bearing in mind that there's no concept of capital letters in Pali, so confusion may arise when it's not understood which (A/a)bhidhamma is being referred to.
Metta,
Retro.
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Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
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Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
:goodpost:retrofuturist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:50 pm Greetings,
It's probably worth noting that the term "abhidhamma" appears in the suttas, but in that context it simply refers to the Buddha's teaching which do not infer a conventional person... thus, that which addresses elements, sense-bases, mindstates etc.
Then there is "Abhidhamma", not referred to in the suttas, which refers to the Abhidhamma Pitaka.
Whilst the differences are acknowledged, it's also worth bearing in mind that there's no concept of capital letters in Pali, so confusion may arise when it's not understood which (A/a)bhidhamma is being referred to.
Metta,
Retro. :)
Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
Unbelievable.
So this monk thinks there is no tipitaka, just a dvipitaka.
And he takes pride in being heretical.
Wow.
Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
It's also worth noting that the Abhidhamma Pitaka itself is actually quite consistent with the suttas, being largely a detailed analysis and enumeration of them. In fact "[teachings] which do not infer a conventional person... thus, that which addresses elements, sense-bases, mindstates etc." is a good summary of purpose of the Canonical Abhidhamma.retrofuturist wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:50 pm It's probably worth noting that the term "abhidhamma" appears in the suttas, but in that context it simply refers to the Buddha's teaching which do not infer a conventional person... thus, that which addresses elements, sense-bases, mindstates etc.
Then there is "Abhidhamma", not referred to in the suttas, which refers to the Abhidhamma Pitaka.
I tire of pointing out the distinction but a surprising number people continue to say "Abhidhamma" when they are, in fact, talking about the Commentaries. Strangely, it appears that many critics of "Abhidhamma" have no idea what it actually contains, some seeming proud of not having read it...
There is a short summary of the major points here: https://suttacentral.net/abhidhamma
Mike
Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
A slightly tangential detail -- surprised to find, in a recent Pali class nearby, taught by a Burmese translator, with students from vaious SE-Asian countries, that they pronounce "abhidhamma" as "aBHIdhamma" (accent on 2nd syllable), rather than "ABhidhamma" as most Americans say it.
Also, they say "dhamMApada" (likewise accent on 2nd syllable) where we routinely say "DHAmmaPAda".
Also, they say "dhamMApada" (likewise accent on 2nd syllable) where we routinely say "DHAmmaPAda".
Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
Emphasising the second syllable is, I think, standard. Also, I'm not familiar with Burmese, but a Thai person would pronounce your name MaCIE... And ABhidhamma would just be plain wrong, since the syllables would be a-bhi-dham-ma.cjmacie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:53 pm A slightly tangential detail -- surprised to find, in a recent Pali class nearby, taught by a Burmese translator, with students from vaious SE-Asian countries, that they pronounce "abhidhamma" as "aBHIdhamma" (accent on 2nd syllable), rather than "ABhidhamma" as most Americans say it.
Also, they say "dhamMApada" (likewise accent on 2nd syllable) where we routinely say "DHAmmaPAda".
Mike
Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
As you may know, pronunciation of Pali consonants tends to be modified in Thai, e.g. Dhamma => Thamma. Abhidhamma is usually pronounced A-phi-tham.
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Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
He is being sarcastic. He was excomunicated (in Thailand) for ordaining a female bhikuni in Australia. https://sujato.wordpress.com/2009/11/07 ... municated/
He said the abbidhama was not taught by the Buddha, not that the Tipitaka does not exist. The point he is making is that it is not necessary to progress on the path to enlightenment.
Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
I am sure it is known to most reading here, but an exhausting view of Abidhamma and textual research on its genesis -- comparing Pali and Mahayana sources -- can be found in Bikkhi Analayo's book 'The Dawn of Abidharma'.
This (and others) can be downloaded for free as .pdf at the website of the Hamburg Buddhist Studies, https://www.buddhismuskunde.uni-hamburg ... udies.html
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Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
This monk doesn't seems to know Abhidhamma. He seems to say "keep things simple don't bother to learn".
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Re: Abhidhamma teachings in the Suttas
if u cant even learn sutta how can u learn abhidhamma. read the basics.. graduate from play school before going to phd study... thats what he said.
I may be slow learner but im at least learning...