It is the Unformed, the Unconditioned, the End,Antaradhana wrote:Atman?cappuccino wrote:unconditioned consciousness remains
~ S 43.1-44
It is the Unformed, the Unconditioned, the End,Antaradhana wrote:Atman?cappuccino wrote:unconditioned consciousness remains
"And what, bhikkhus, is the unconditioned? The destruction of lust, the destruction of hatred, the destruction of delusion: this is called the unconditioned". SN 43.1cappuccino wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:32 pmIt is the Unformed, the Unconditioned, the End,Antaradhana wrote:Atman?cappuccino wrote:unconditioned consciousness remains
~ S 43.1-44
“When there is the dispellingAntaradhana wrote: "And what, bhikkhus, is the unconditioned? The destruction of lust, the destruction of hatred, the destruction of delusion: this is called the unconditioned"
SN 43.1
it's called the Deathless stateAntaradhana wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:37 pm Did the Buddha say that after the final nibbana without the rest of the fuel, any consciousness continues?
Yes, only he calls the element, not the state. The Buddha also calls nibbana "unborn." Because it is a cessation of existence (bhava nirodho), and no further birth or death will follow.cappuccino wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:34 amit's called the Deathless stateAntaradhana wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:37 pm Did the Buddha say that after the final nibbana without the rest of the fuel, any consciousness continues?
I do not understand what this sutta number is. Write a standard sutta number so that I can see the Pali original. Sometimes the phrase amata-dhatu is translated in this way. Sometimes in poetic stanzas, amatam padam is written for rhythm.
It might be interesting to consider the practical difference between the experience of Atman/Brahman, and the experience of Nibbana, the "supreme bliss".
Perhaps here: https://suttacentral.net/snp5.9/en/anandajoti#sc3Antaradhana wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:15 amI do not understand what this sutta number is. Write a standard sutta number so that I can see the Pali original. Sometimes the phrase amata-dhatu is translated in this way. Sometimes in poetic stanzas, amatam padam is written for rhythm.
yes to what you point out.
These are the six properties: the earth property, the liquid property, the fire property, the wind property, the space property, the consciousness property.
When one sees it thus as it actually is present with right discernment, one becomes disenchanted with the earth property and makes the earth property fade from the mind.
…When one sees it thus as it actually is present with right discernment, one becomes disenchanted with the liquid property and makes the liquid property fade from the mind.
When one sees it thus as it actually is present with right discernment, one becomes disenchanted with the space property and makes the space property fade from the mind.
with the consciousness it is different since there it is the sensory contact what is to be felt(3 types of feelings instead of upekkha the 3rd is adukkhamasukha) by consciousness ceases."There remains only consciousness: pure & bright.
.."There remains only equanimity: pure & bright, pliant, malleable, & luminous.
take this sutta excerpt"One discerns that 'If I were to direct equanimity as pure & bright as this towards the dimension of the infinitude of space and to develop the mind along those lines, that would be fabricated.
"Monk, the property of light is discerned in dependence on darkness. The property of beauty is discerned in dependence on the unattractive...
"Monk, the property of light, the property of beauty, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of space, the property of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, the property of the dimension of nothingness: These properties are to be reached as perception attainments.[2] The property of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception is to be reached as a remnant-of-fabrications attainment. The property of the cessation of feeling & perception is to be reached as a cessation attainment."[3]
Does the consciousness experience nibbana ?
Dinsdale wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:00 amMaybe it's like living near a mountain. The mountain is always there, but you're not continuously looking at it.sentinel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:02 pmThat is incomprehensible . How can the consciousness which is conditioned have the unconditioned as it object ?Bhikkhu Pesala wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:30 pm
fruition consciousness (phalacitta) have nibbāna as their object.
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