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Fund raising for buddhist Monk without lodgings.

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Hello all,

Candana Bikkhu is based in California and has had to leave the centre he was staying at (i wont mention its name as it was troublesome for him) after he found out that lay guests were drinking alcohol on the premises (he found a bottle of vodka in the bin). Amongst other troubling conditions with the lay guests he has decided to leave.
Unfortunately after making this decision, all the other local monasteries dont have a bed for him right now. He has had to take up an air bnb for the short term and will likely have to resort to the streets or the forests in California should things bit change.

I have decided to start a GoFundMe me page so I can raise money for some temporary lodgings until something opens up for him.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/buddhist-mon ... are-flow-1


If you would like to know more about him, you can check out his youtube page where he has recited most (i think, I havent counted haha) of The Pali Canon Suttas. He is such a beautiful human being and unfortunately since becoming a monk he has faced some pretty extreme scenarios.

Can you maybe please help raise some money for him with some wonderful selfless Dana? Or if not and funds are tight right now, maybe help by sharing this link over social media? Or with your friends and family?

Candana hasnt asked me for this, I'm sure his integrity to his path and his vows is that pure he would rather live in the wild than ask for money directly.

May you all be well and flourish in this wonderful opportunity :)

With a big smile

Anthony
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anthbrown84 wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:40 am Hello all,

Candana Bikkhu is based in California and has had to leave the centre he was staying at (i wont mention its name as it was troublesome for him) after he found out that lay guests were drinking alcohol on the premises (he found a bottle of vodka in the bin). Amongst other troubling conditions with the lay guests he has decided to leave.
Unfortunately after making this decision, all the other local monasteries dont have a bed for him right now. He has had to take up an air bnb for the short term and will likely have to resort to the streets or the forests in California should things bit change.

I have decided to start a GoFundMe me page so I can raise money for some temporary lodgings until something opens up for him.

If you would like to know more about him, you can check out his youtube page where he has recited most (i think, I havent counted haha) of The Pali Canon Suttas. He is such a beautiful human being and unfortunately since becoming a monk he has faced some pretty extreme scenarios.

Can you maybe please help raise some money for him with some wonderful selfless Dana? Or if not and funds are tight right now, maybe help by sharing this link over social media? Or with your friends and family?

Candana hasnt asked me for this, I'm sure his integrity to his path and his vows is that pure he would rather live in the wild than ask for money directly.

May you all be well and flourish in this wonderful opportunity :)

With a big smile

Anthony
I can share ... as I am broke now but want to donate later on when i receive money... have u created the page?
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I have indeed :)

And of course, just whatever is within your means. I'm sure most of us are in hard times right now, so this is only meant for people who can and also want to :)

I wish you well:)

Anthony
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anthbrown84 wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:20 am I have indeed :)

And of course, just whatever is within your means. I'm sure most of us are in hard times right now, so this is only meant for people who can and also want to :)

I wish you well:)

Anthony
Where is the link? Can i receive the link? so i share now...
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confusedlayman wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:31 am
anthbrown84 wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:20 am I have indeed :)

And of course, just whatever is within your means. I'm sure most of us are in hard times right now, so this is only meant for people who can and also want to :)

I wish you well:)

Anthony
Where is the link? Can i receive the link? so i share now...
Sorry, I forgot to post it... I have done that now :)

Thanks for mentioning that!

Anthony
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Greetings,

I hope he manages to escape California Buddhism in order to find dwellings more conducive to ideal solitude.

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Paul. :)
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retrofuturist wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:19 am Greetings,

I hope he manages to escape California Buddhism in order to find dwellings more conducive to ideal solitude.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Yes me to.

Unfortunately he was in a rather remote centre and was told he could stay there for however long he wanted. Unfortunately for him the lay guests were not accommodating and drank alcohol on the premises. He even had to phone the police one time :(

He has stuck by his Morales and integrity and left... hopefully this can raise a bit of money so he can stay covered at night until more suitable dwellings are found.

:)
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May I ask,

Does anyone have any ideas of how to raise money this way?

It is appearing to be very difficult to generate interest even in devoted buddhist circles you see. I'm really not sure what else to do and I just dont want to see someone who has went forth having not having a roof over his head.

It's got me puzzled :shrug:

Any help is really appreciated :anjali:

Anthony
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Greetings Anthony,

I recommend focusing on a definitive plan, rather than a stop-gap solution.

For example, if there's a monastery who will accept him, try to raise the money for the bus/plane fare. Surely the monk, out of concern for his welfare, is doing everything he can to find a suitable location. He should be leading that effort.

Lodgings, temporary or otherwise, outside of the ways of the Vinaya, just sounds like a pitch for "free stuff".

I hope that helps.

Metta,
Paul. :)
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retrofuturist wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:45 pm Greetings Anthony,

I recommend focusing on a definitive plan, rather than a stop-gap solution.

For example, if there's a monastery who will accept him, try to raise the money for the bus/plane fare. Surely the monk, out of concern for his welfare, is doing everything he can to find a suitable location. He should be leading that effort.

Lodgings, temporary or otherwise, outside of the ways of the Vinaya, just sounds like a pitch for "free stuff".

I hope that helps.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Good, advice.
This is a good reminder for anyone who wants to be a monk. If you want to be a monk make sure that you have the right teacher and the temple.

I can recall Bhikkhu Bodhi is telling a story, the main supporter of the temple getting drunk after the Dana ceremony. This is happening in Sri Lanka too. Dana/ Prith ceremony escalates to a party. In this case, what matters is other monks residing with seems to be good. I think they are the Kalyanamitta, not the lay followers. Even there is a Buddhist story that Visaka went to see Buddha with his drunken friends. If he has to leave the temple for such problems he will never find a perfect place. Please read Broken Buddha.
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If there isn't support for a monk in an area, then that is not a suitable place for a monk to live.
The monk must move to a place where he is supported by laypeople.
Global online fundraising isn't a good substitute for a local community.
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Hi Anthony,

Do you live nearby? Is it possible to find someone nearby, or not so nearby willing to accommodate him? It's great that you are trying to help him, but, as James says, it comes down to practicalities.

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It is particularly unusual that the monk cannot find another monastery to take him even on a temporary basis regardless of school ( a mahayana monastery, etc). As far as I know it is not uncommon in California for there to be collaboration with other schools in situation like this. California is a massive state with many monasteries. I am wondering if this is not a monastic politics issue or if there is more to the story-- not that I want to hear about it but out of concern for a venerable monk it is best he find a long term solution rather than a air bnb.
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It is particularly unusual that the monk cannot find another monastery to take him even on a temporary basis regardless of school.
I have to completely disagree with this.

Of course I don't know anything about this particular monk's situation, but it is very common for monasteries to be wary of taking in strangers, especially in the west. Especially in California. And especially wary of western monks. People seem to have a very idealized concept of monastic life, especially in the west. Of course there are monasteries that may take someone they don't know. But they are the unusual situation.

To everyone saying that temporary housing is not a solution and something long term should be found... Really? A monastic life is not something you can just put into a box under the bed till spring time. Even though I know nothing about this situation, I know enough about life to know that things are usually complicated. Of course people should only give where their heart is confident, but the lack of appreciation for the realities of monastic life on the ground is surprising. But I guess it shouldn't be.

If the mods feel there is something fishy or inappropriate about the OP's request, then by all means they should take it down. But folks should keep in mind the dangers of discouraging someone from practicing generosity without a good reason.
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Greetings bhante,
BKh wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:54 am If the mods feel there is something fishy or inappropriate about the OP's request, then by all means they should take it down.
I'm comfortable with the OP's posting, as he's a long-standing member of the forum and I see no reason to doubt him.
BKh wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:54 am But folks should keep in mind the dangers of discouraging someone from practicing generosity without a good reason.
I don't believe anyone is actually doing that. Just as the Buddha spoke of suitable localities for a monk, it appears that the monk's current locality is too degenerate to provide suitable support for a properly practicing bhikkhu. If he needs a bus fare to somewhere less degenerate, I would be happy to chip in a few bucks (assuming that the site taking the transaction did not apply ludicrous fees for exchange rates etc., as some do) but would not do so, simply to keep him housed in the same degenerate locality.

Metta,
Paul. :)
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